Oct 2, 2026 · 1 hr 1 min · 13 segments
In this episode of *The Layover*, we sit down with **Daniella Middleton**, partner and development counsel at **Development Counsellors International (DCI)**, to unpack how destination marketing is…
Dylan ConroyHost
Well, you know, I think, uh, uh, at least on the publisher side, you know, we have a little bit of a love/hate relationship with travel creators because, you know, to some degree, um, you know, I think the reason why travel media is in decline is because travel influencers are in, you know, spiking into top of, top of the funnel to the right.

And at the end of the day, you know, you have these legacy publishers that use social or created travel blogs or travel series or trav- a whole, a whole channel called the Travel Channel-

And then all of a sudden all these people came along that had, you know, a DL- a, a, a, you know, a, a GoPro and a little microphone and a drone and they could compete with and, and/or in some instances get larger audiences, uh, have a bigger impact on destination marketing, and then do it at a fraction of the unit economics of creating a video much cheaper.

Um, so, you know, that's why Lost In exists is because we kinda came into the ecosystem and said, "Hey, we're from this world of user-generated content, working with creators in a more strategic way where we can actually be synergistic versus, you know, trying to compete with ag- against them," because I think that's a zero sum game now.

So I'd be curious, you know, how do you think, uh- Uh, you know, the, uh, the rise of the travel creator has changed the industry, uh, for better or for worse.
I mean, it's an un- so I- it's definitely changed the industry, as you said.
It's an uncomfortable space and I, um, I think, you know, you alluded to it, and I think it's because it doesn't sit, they don't sit perfectly in a silo.
So they don't, they're not, they're not full content, they're not fully social media, they're not fully earned or, you know, trade out always.
You can't, even though you're- there's a transactional cost, you're not, for the most part, best practice, you shouldn't dictate what they, how they convey their message or the, you know, the speaking points that they say.
Uh, and so they, they, they are this, you know, I like to say they're sort of a child born out of wedlock [laughs] or, you know, out of-
I, I usually, you know, I will usually set it up with, um, you know, sort of PR and advertising met at a bar, had a great time, and then content creators, influencers were born, and now we're all fighting for custody of how it works.

Well, you know, I think, uh, uh, at least on the publisher side, you know, we have a little bit of a love/hate relationship with travel creators because, you know, to some degree, um, you know, I think the reason why travel media is in decline is because travel influencers are in, you know, spiking into top of, top of the funnel to the right.

And at the end of the day, you know, you have these legacy publishers that use social or created travel blogs or travel series or trav- a whole, a whole channel called the Travel Channel-

And then all of a sudden all these people came along that had, you know, a DL- a, a, a, you know, a, a GoPro and a little microphone and a drone and they could compete with and, and/or in some instances get larger audiences, uh, have a bigger impact on destination marketing, and then do it at a fraction of the unit economics of creating a video much cheaper.

Um, so, you know, that's why Lost In exists is because we kinda came into the ecosystem and said, "Hey, we're from this world of user-generated content, working with creators in a more strategic way where we can actually be synergistic versus, you know, trying to compete with ag- against them," because I think that's a zero sum game now.

So I'd be curious, you know, how do you think, uh- Uh, you know, the, uh, the rise of the travel creator has changed the industry, uh, for better or for worse.
I mean, it's an un- so I- it's definitely changed the industry, as you said.
It's an uncomfortable space and I, um, I think, you know, you alluded to it, and I think it's because it doesn't sit, they don't sit perfectly in a silo.
So they don't, they're not, they're not full content, they're not fully social media, they're not fully earned or, you know, trade out always.
You can't, even though you're- there's a transactional cost, you're not, for the most part, best practice, you shouldn't dictate what they, how they convey their message or the, you know, the speaking points that they say.
Uh, and so they, they, they are this, you know, I like to say they're sort of a child born out of wedlock [laughs] or, you know, out of-
I, I usually, you know, I will usually set it up with, um, you know, sort of PR and advertising met at a bar, had a great time, and then content creators, influencers were born, and now we're all fighting for custody of how it works.
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