Oct 26, 2026 · 51 min · 11 segments
**Content warning:** This conversation covers mature topics and is not suitable for young children. What happens when everything you thought would make you feel worthy leaves you more broken than…
Joshua BroomeGuestHeidi St. JohnHostI want to go back to something for a second because the very, very beginning when you did the first film and you said your college roommates were calling you up and saying, dude, you know, we saw you in this film.
I mean, as your uncle, it's your friends from college, you know, and there's two parts of this.
And then there's the people that make that possible because they're consuming all this stuff.
And so really, in a lot of ways, you were surrounded by the industry from the outside and then from the inside.
I mean, and as we know, I mean that, that industry, it's like, it's crazy, Heidi.
Like I was at a conference, I was the keynote speaker at a conference two years ago and in, in, you know, I won't name any names, but I was at a conference and this entity, like they're like what they were designed to do and what encompasses their, the, functionality of their ministry is they help people identify the sexual sin in their life and remove it and provide accountability and all that stuff.
But anyway, they were like, how does these porn sites make money? I was like, wow.
it's like, you're talking about an industry that 33 to 35% of all the internet, of the traffic on the internet on a daily basis, 33 to 35% is pornography.
You're talking about an industry where in the last presidential election, there were seven states that were swing states.
And they said, hey, you know what we're going to do as our last push to get the Democratic vote? We're going to run an ad on the most visited porn site within America.
And we're going to run this ad that says, hey, there's going to be this guy who's got a phone in the dark and someone walks in.
and takes it from him, and they're wearing a blue suit and a red tie, and then this caption comes up.
It's like, hey, if you want to continue to have access to your freedom of speech or your freedom to consume whatever you want, well, you better vote accordingly because they're coming to take away your porn.
I want to go back to something for a second because the very, very beginning when you did the first film and you said your college roommates were calling you up and saying, dude, you know, we saw you in this film.
I mean, as your uncle, it's your friends from college, you know, and there's two parts of this.
And then there's the people that make that possible because they're consuming all this stuff.
And so really, in a lot of ways, you were surrounded by the industry from the outside and then from the inside.
I mean, and as we know, I mean that, that industry, it's like, it's crazy, Heidi.
Like I was at a conference, I was the keynote speaker at a conference two years ago and in, in, you know, I won't name any names, but I was at a conference and this entity, like they're like what they were designed to do and what encompasses their, the, functionality of their ministry is they help people identify the sexual sin in their life and remove it and provide accountability and all that stuff.
But anyway, they were like, how does these porn sites make money? I was like, wow.
it's like, you're talking about an industry that 33 to 35% of all the internet, of the traffic on the internet on a daily basis, 33 to 35% is pornography.
You're talking about an industry where in the last presidential election, there were seven states that were swing states.
And they said, hey, you know what we're going to do as our last push to get the Democratic vote? We're going to run an ad on the most visited porn site within America.
And we're going to run this ad that says, hey, there's going to be this guy who's got a phone in the dark and someone walks in.
and takes it from him, and they're wearing a blue suit and a red tie, and then this caption comes up.
It's like, hey, if you want to continue to have access to your freedom of speech or your freedom to consume whatever you want, well, you better vote accordingly because they're coming to take away your porn.
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