The Gravity Well with Jenny Yeremiy
Oct 16, 2026 · 53 min · 11 segments
Gwen Muskwa is the Treaty Relations Director for Treaty 8, having worked with the organization for 29 years. She describes her work as honouring the legacy of elders who taught her everything she…
Jenny YeremiyHost
I feel like I could talk another three hours with you guys [laughs] but I'm gonna try and sum up what I heard here.

I think, like I love that, Gwen, that you underscored that we need to be implementing treaty, that it's been broken since the get-go.

I think this is just what's so fascinating about this moment as you said, as we wake up to what's going on here.

'Cause I look at the way that we in the industry, when I worked in the oil and gas industry, we were always put against First Nations, taught that, um, you're standing in the way of progress, and I'm sorry to say those words out loud, but that's the genuine sort of understanding of what's going on.

And now to recognize that like when we talk about upholding natural law, we're talking about upholding treaty.

And when we're talking about international law, we're talking about upholding treaty.

And when we talk about staying in climate, um, function, we're talking about upholding treaty.

It's, it's all these ways and the ways that the, the, the, the media and the governments have framed these discussions.

These are always, um, boogeymen, you know? We're not allowed to talk about these things, or these are so distant to us, or we're not really thinking about what they mean and why there's such a, a, an opposition to this knowledge, I would say.

So, um, and then the last thing I wanna talk about, like this has been going on for since 1969.

Like you said, Norma, we in Calgary will not have water in five years if we don't figure out how to reverse this bus and get on board with reestablishing treaty.

So I hope I did a good summary of what you guys have offered, but maybe can you help me and others like me, what's some key messages you would like to offer, um, y- both your communities in, in leading up to this referendum? I know you've already touched on this is the first time some of you might be taking part, which I think is really cool to be, um, getting that engagement.

But what other public messages do you have for the public, um, around the referendum and beyond? 'Cause let's be honest, this is just another day [laughs] in the world of, of the, uh, colonial project, let's say.
Um, you know, and I haven't really shared my story about being targeted on the highway.
Like, you're doing 110 on the highway and, and somebody came up to me, um, you know, and they're like, "Ah, beep, beep, beep," 'cause I was in my logo truck, right? So it's got a huge treaty, um, medallion on there.
[laughs] And, uh, you know, and I, I felt like really at risk because he could have caused an accident.

I feel like I could talk another three hours with you guys [laughs] but I'm gonna try and sum up what I heard here.

I think, like I love that, Gwen, that you underscored that we need to be implementing treaty, that it's been broken since the get-go.

I think this is just what's so fascinating about this moment as you said, as we wake up to what's going on here.

'Cause I look at the way that we in the industry, when I worked in the oil and gas industry, we were always put against First Nations, taught that, um, you're standing in the way of progress, and I'm sorry to say those words out loud, but that's the genuine sort of understanding of what's going on.

And now to recognize that like when we talk about upholding natural law, we're talking about upholding treaty.

And when we're talking about international law, we're talking about upholding treaty.

And when we talk about staying in climate, um, function, we're talking about upholding treaty.

It's, it's all these ways and the ways that the, the, the, the media and the governments have framed these discussions.

These are always, um, boogeymen, you know? We're not allowed to talk about these things, or these are so distant to us, or we're not really thinking about what they mean and why there's such a, a, an opposition to this knowledge, I would say.

So, um, and then the last thing I wanna talk about, like this has been going on for since 1969.

Like you said, Norma, we in Calgary will not have water in five years if we don't figure out how to reverse this bus and get on board with reestablishing treaty.

So I hope I did a good summary of what you guys have offered, but maybe can you help me and others like me, what's some key messages you would like to offer, um, y- both your communities in, in leading up to this referendum? I know you've already touched on this is the first time some of you might be taking part, which I think is really cool to be, um, getting that engagement.

But what other public messages do you have for the public, um, around the referendum and beyond? 'Cause let's be honest, this is just another day [laughs] in the world of, of the, uh, colonial project, let's say.
Um, you know, and I haven't really shared my story about being targeted on the highway.
Like, you're doing 110 on the highway and, and somebody came up to me, um, you know, and they're like, "Ah, beep, beep, beep," 'cause I was in my logo truck, right? So it's got a huge treaty, um, medallion on there.
[laughs] And, uh, you know, and I, I felt like really at risk because he could have caused an accident.
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