Oct 12, 2026 · 45 min · 9 segments
Zero goals as a player. Zero wins for the team. Oneremarkable turnaround. New York Times bestselling author John U. Bacon joins host Phil Osaer on The Athlete Lab Podcast to share how he helped…
John U. BaconGuest
Phil OsaerHost
So when you're talking about creating that type of culture and something that really jumped out to me was how you talk about ownership over compliance.
And we probably all have had coaches at some point, seen coaches that are, you know, do it this way.
I had a general manager once, he said, I speak with one hand, do your job or get the out yeah that is something explicit and you know it was that but that was something that you sort of grew up with you know in some of our generations and for you to create the culture when you did of ownership like how did you how did you get buy-in and first of all like you got a story that would be where you weren't getting the buy-in and then how did you you know how did you get that player those players to kind of get on board because i don't see that as necessarily necessarily just a hockey team thing like that's a that's a life thing that's a parenting maybe uh where you work in the corporate world so can you talk through some of those things
And yes, I mean, the speeches I give around the country, half my income is from these speeches, and it's almost all non-hockey.
And the guys who win long term, like Scotty Bowman, they've got to adapt to what they have.
Um, my basic philosophy, um, the chapter, the book's broken down into 12 chapters and three stages.
I mean, I said in the first day, we're going to be the hard screen high school hockey team in the state of Michigan.
Uh, and I want to see who's part of it, but The second group of chapters is building trust.
So when you're talking about creating that type of culture and something that really jumped out to me was how you talk about ownership over compliance.
And we probably all have had coaches at some point, seen coaches that are, you know, do it this way.
I had a general manager once, he said, I speak with one hand, do your job or get the out yeah that is something explicit and you know it was that but that was something that you sort of grew up with you know in some of our generations and for you to create the culture when you did of ownership like how did you how did you get buy-in and first of all like you got a story that would be where you weren't getting the buy-in and then how did you you know how did you get that player those players to kind of get on board because i don't see that as necessarily necessarily just a hockey team thing like that's a that's a life thing that's a parenting maybe uh where you work in the corporate world so can you talk through some of those things
And yes, I mean, the speeches I give around the country, half my income is from these speeches, and it's almost all non-hockey.
And the guys who win long term, like Scotty Bowman, they've got to adapt to what they have.
Um, my basic philosophy, um, the chapter, the book's broken down into 12 chapters and three stages.
I mean, I said in the first day, we're going to be the hard screen high school hockey team in the state of Michigan.
Uh, and I want to see who's part of it, but The second group of chapters is building trust.
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