Aug 6, 2026 · 33 min · 11 segments
Send us Fan Mail In “**Episode 6- BONUS EPISODE**,” hosts **Rob Kaldor** and **Isy Oderberg** reflect on the 3rd series of Tensions Transplanted by…
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Putting that aside, how are you actually feeling with the current state? Where, where are you sitting?
Like, depends what time of the day you ask me, depend what day it is, depends on whether my six-year-old's kicked me in the face and I'm exhausted and finding it difficult to see the light.
Ultimately, I think we have to focus on not giving too much attention to the loudest voices in the room, but really looking at more broadly where the majority of the population sits.
If I think that those extreme views that frighten us are not widely held, I think that there's a difference between sort of bigotry and hatred, and misunderstandings and hatred.
I also feel like the Royal Commission, I still have a lot of question marks over what it will find and also what it can even achieve.
But I do feel like I have more hope having done this and having spoken to a variety of people.
There are, there's so much hope in this podcast, and I'm really, really proud of that.
I know at some stage I should pull away from it for my own personal wellbeing, yet it is where I get a lot of my information and news, and I feel like I can ascertain which, what stuff is spin and what stuff is real.
However, I do get really upset when I see hundreds of comments, like attacking people that splurge their guts at the Royal Commission and then these people are getting attacked.
And just on, on a, the level of casual a- Anti-Jewish sentiment on social media has really blown me away, and that, that's what brings me down.
And like you, I'm not really sure of what outcome the Royal Commission, what I'm actually looking for.
They're gonna be recommendations, but how do you do cultural change? And I think in our, in the How Do We Unfuck It episode, we d- there were a few examples of things that we can do to change things, but it's a long haul.
There is just no quick fix, and I'm sorry that hurts to say it out loud, but that's the reality of the situation.
But there is a lot we can do, and when you look at someone like Hus Dalal, who's been working in m- in multicultural spaces for years and years and years and years, and he has hope, and so do I, and he's already seeing people go back, as we say, re-enter the room to have these difficult discussions.
And I think on a, a day-to-day basis, I also think that we need to be having those uncomfortable discussions, um, with the people that we don't agree w- necessarily agree with, and build bridges.
But I also think, like, y- you can't look at the number of comments on a social media post and think that that's in any way indicative of the main popula- mainstream population.
There are farms of disinformation in places like Russia, in places like Iran, where they're looking to sow discord, and that's part of what I talked about with Van Badham extensively.
And, I mean, yes, there, there can be times when social media can be good to get a gauge on things, but there are also times when you have to look at it and say, "Well, you know, if every single comment is the same and using the same language and whatever, m- m- maybe this isn't actually indicative of reality.
Putting that aside, how are you actually feeling with the current state? Where, where are you sitting?
Like, depends what time of the day you ask me, depend what day it is, depends on whether my six-year-old's kicked me in the face and I'm exhausted and finding it difficult to see the light.
Ultimately, I think we have to focus on not giving too much attention to the loudest voices in the room, but really looking at more broadly where the majority of the population sits.
If I think that those extreme views that frighten us are not widely held, I think that there's a difference between sort of bigotry and hatred, and misunderstandings and hatred.
I also feel like the Royal Commission, I still have a lot of question marks over what it will find and also what it can even achieve.
But I do feel like I have more hope having done this and having spoken to a variety of people.
There are, there's so much hope in this podcast, and I'm really, really proud of that.
I know at some stage I should pull away from it for my own personal wellbeing, yet it is where I get a lot of my information and news, and I feel like I can ascertain which, what stuff is spin and what stuff is real.
However, I do get really upset when I see hundreds of comments, like attacking people that splurge their guts at the Royal Commission and then these people are getting attacked.
And just on, on a, the level of casual a- Anti-Jewish sentiment on social media has really blown me away, and that, that's what brings me down.
And like you, I'm not really sure of what outcome the Royal Commission, what I'm actually looking for.
They're gonna be recommendations, but how do you do cultural change? And I think in our, in the How Do We Unfuck It episode, we d- there were a few examples of things that we can do to change things, but it's a long haul.
There is just no quick fix, and I'm sorry that hurts to say it out loud, but that's the reality of the situation.
But there is a lot we can do, and when you look at someone like Hus Dalal, who's been working in m- in multicultural spaces for years and years and years and years, and he has hope, and so do I, and he's already seeing people go back, as we say, re-enter the room to have these difficult discussions.
And I think on a, a day-to-day basis, I also think that we need to be having those uncomfortable discussions, um, with the people that we don't agree w- necessarily agree with, and build bridges.
But I also think, like, y- you can't look at the number of comments on a social media post and think that that's in any way indicative of the main popula- mainstream population.
There are farms of disinformation in places like Russia, in places like Iran, where they're looking to sow discord, and that's part of what I talked about with Van Badham extensively.
And, I mean, yes, there, there can be times when social media can be good to get a gauge on things, but there are also times when you have to look at it and say, "Well, you know, if every single comment is the same and using the same language and whatever, m- m- maybe this isn't actually indicative of reality.
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