What does it take to build the infrastructure behind Bitcoin and freedom tech? Rod sits down with Steve Barbour, Jeff Gardner, and Ryan Gentry for three conversations about energy, private communication, and the businesses building through Bitcoin’s cycles.
Steve explains why Upstream remains focused on off-grid power and oil and gas while major Bitcoin miners chase AI infrastructure.
Jeff walks through White Noise, private messaging built on Nostr, and what it takes to make encrypted communication work across apps—for humans and AI agents.
Ryan discusses bringing Bitcoin businesses to public markets and why AI’s growing presence online could create a new opening for Lightning micropayments.
Plus: the case for coal, entrepreneurial perseverance, preparations for Imagine IF, and a Texas–Tennessee football tangent that puts the “real UT” up for debate.
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