Talk with Toby: Real Life. Real Faith.
Oct 13, 2026 · 49 min · 13 segments
You started going to church. You opened the Bible. You decided you want to live this out. So... now what? Pastor Scott Lanigan kicked off Talk with Toby in season one with "Curious About Faith? Start…
You know, it's actually out of, uh, a book in the Bible called Revelation, and it's, it, the, the actual scripture is talking about this church in Laodicea.
Now, it was this church, in Revelation it talks about these churches and, and in it, the writer, John, he talks in the perspective of each church of, "Hey, here's maybe where you're slipping a little bit."
Mm-hmm.
Okay, yeah.
"Where you've kinda lost the point and lost the value." Laodicea was known for, uh, this aqua duct system that they created in their, in their city, and it was never hot water, never cold water, it was always lukewarm water.
And I think when we take a look at scripture, it's really important that we remember it's written to a certain people in a certain time, and often a certain place.
Yes
Yes
And n- uh, he was speaking directly to them, going, "Hey, you know what it's like having lukewarm water." Like, "You're not kidding me.
We never get hot or cold." And they're like, "Why is your faith the same way? Why are you lukewarm and you're not hot and cold?" And it is so much better for you to be one or the other.
Yeah
And I think the reason is that it's often when we're lukewarm, we're hypocritical.
You know, it's actually out of, uh, a book in the Bible called Revelation, and it's, it, the, the actual scripture is talking about this church in Laodicea.
Now, it was this church, in Revelation it talks about these churches and, and in it, the writer, John, he talks in the perspective of each church of, "Hey, here's maybe where you're slipping a little bit."
Mm-hmm.
Okay, yeah.
"Where you've kinda lost the point and lost the value." Laodicea was known for, uh, this aqua duct system that they created in their, in their city, and it was never hot water, never cold water, it was always lukewarm water.
And I think when we take a look at scripture, it's really important that we remember it's written to a certain people in a certain time, and often a certain place.
Yes
Yes
And n- uh, he was speaking directly to them, going, "Hey, you know what it's like having lukewarm water." Like, "You're not kidding me.
We never get hot or cold." And they're like, "Why is your faith the same way? Why are you lukewarm and you're not hot and cold?" And it is so much better for you to be one or the other.
Yeah
And I think the reason is that it's often when we're lukewarm, we're hypocritical.
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