May 13, 2026 · 1 hr 9 min · 26 segments
Tonight on Summer Album / Winter Album: White Light / White Heat. 1968. Our special guests: Ian & Evan of the Jokermen podcast. Jody Avirgan is arguing Winter, Craig Finn is arguing Summer. Jody…
Craig FinnHost
Jody AvirganHostEvanGuestIan Wheeler
Have you ever taken an ice plunge or done an ice bath or a polar bear swim or something like that?
I grew up in Minnesota, which, you know, felt like I was in an ice plunge for the first 18 years of my life, but no, not as you're saying.
Here is the way that I experience it and the way that I experience bracing cold in the way that maybe you have.
Your first thought when you go into an ice plunge is, "Oh my God, what is happening? I've made a huge mistake." And then you start to have a conversation with yourself.
There is beauty on the other side of this pain." You breathe deep, your focus narrows, and you don't just abide the pain, you start to embrace it.
Maybe you enter a trance-like state, living both in the moment and somehow outside of time.
That, Craig, is basically my experience with The Velvet Underground's White Light/White Heat, and I would argue it's an experience most connected to cold, to friction, to the harsh light of winter.
Have you ever taken an ice plunge or done an ice bath or a polar bear swim or something like that?
I grew up in Minnesota, which, you know, felt like I was in an ice plunge for the first 18 years of my life, but no, not as you're saying.
Here is the way that I experience it and the way that I experience bracing cold in the way that maybe you have.
Your first thought when you go into an ice plunge is, "Oh my God, what is happening? I've made a huge mistake." And then you start to have a conversation with yourself.
There is beauty on the other side of this pain." You breathe deep, your focus narrows, and you don't just abide the pain, you start to embrace it.
Maybe you enter a trance-like state, living both in the moment and somehow outside of time.
That, Craig, is basically my experience with The Velvet Underground's White Light/White Heat, and I would argue it's an experience most connected to cold, to friction, to the harsh light of winter.
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