Oh.

That's actually synergistic 'cause you know...

Oh, well this kinda doesn't make sense, but Alan Ruck played Cameron in, uh-

Yeah

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the Budweiser commercial.

I wanna see Jack Hughes' fucking teeth just ripping out, dude.

I wanna, I wanna watch that and go, "You know what? This is America.

So sticking with the, uh, government agenda and, um, reform, Evan, I think maybe a bit of a pet project you've had for a while is, uh, harassing the Victorian government and maybe we've finally got there with, uh, the recent, their state government budget announcing a craft beer strategy.

Yeah, well, I think it was a little less than 12 months ago I was on this podcast saying you can email politicians as much as you like, they work for you, um, until they put a restraining order on.

Uh, grateful that that hasn't happened, but what has happened, obviously, um, uh, as a Victorian, um, whilst the IBA is a national, um, organization, we do, uh, a lot of federal advocacy, um, like many of our board members in their own states, we sort of take a, a state approach.

Um, and being a Victorian myself, I have had a keen interest in, um, supporting our, uh, statewide industry.

So even before I joined, uh, the board itself and was just, uh, one of the group members, uh, for the IBA, was doing a bit of lobbying prior to the last state election, um, and really sort of getting out the word of, um, of Victoria's position in the market, um, historically and where it was looking to go, I guess, in, in comparison to other states.

Um, as we've already expressed in this podcast, it takes time.

Um, it's, it's getting in front of politicians, explaining the issues.

Beyond all of those things, they're kinda the two sort of team projects that we've got going on.

And, um, you know, he was at two different schools and played a lot of football, and so the fact that he's still at this point where he, like, kind of like looks raw as a quarterback would maybe be an indication that's just who he is at this point.

Albert, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna use the Browns as the basis, but I, I, uh, I w- I can give you an example.

I...

After, after going through the entire off-season, I'm actually secretly impressed with the, what the Bengals have done on defense, and it started to challenge the notions that I had, oh, even, even through, like, free agency.

Like, I look at the whole body of work and I think, "Oh, they, they might have gotten close to where they need to be." So to then spin that forward to the Browns, I, I know the Browns weren't necessarily hopeful they could upgrade on the quarterback spot, but do you think the Browns have enough talent to win in spite of the quarterback position after what they did this off-season?

Yeah

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I think they're about two months into this thing.

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How you doing, buddy?

Hey.

Great, thank you so much for having us.

Appreciate the support, and looking forward to seeing you in St. Paul in a couple weeks.

Uh, Evan, you can go with yours.

Yeah, I took, uh, Jaidyn, uh, AKA Duke Scott, uh, plays over at NC State.

Um, kinda took the backseat to Hollywood Smothers for the last year or so.

And, um, in limited time, I mean, Smothers was out a l- a little bit last year.

Um, and in limited time Scott, uh, I think he had three games with double digit carries, and he, he had almost 400 yards and, and three touchdowns between those three games.

I think he's, he's got appropriate size, really good speed.

He's real twitchy.

Evan, why do you got Tony so low? You don't like him or something?

Was Andy that force, too? I mean, when, it, I mean, just what does it mean that the s- that the record on which they kick Andy Warhol out of the picture ends up sounding like this?

Well, I think it's important to note about Andy's influence that, like, they might have made some distance for themselves from Andy professionally, and even, you know, stopped hanging out with him, [laughs] like, to some degree around this time.

But the influence of him artistically, I think we would be missing something important without noting, like, Warhol is not just the soup cans guy.

Like, there is also a very raw and dire side to his art, like the, the car crashes, and the Jackie Kennedys, and even a lot of his films.

Like, there's, there's things going on in the art of Andy Warhol that actually do quite easily match with the aesthetic that we get on this album.

I wonder if maybe some of the reason why Lou Reed wants to set himself apart is to not feel like those kinds of influences that he's maybe working with and thinking about are going to be, like, directly siphoned back to Andy as like, oh, like, this band is just, like, a coloring book for Andy Warhol, where, you know, it, it was more complicated than that.

Like, there's actually creative ideas, tangents, themes Lou Reed is organically, and John Cale and the rest of the group are exploring that maybe came from there but are really becoming something of their own, too.

You know what I mean.

Was the reptile the obsession from day one?

Yeah, so basically my earliest memories are from when I was a little boy, um, and I used to, for a little time, live with my grandma and grandpa.

Um, my grandma and grandpa one day had Steve Irwin on the TV, and I absolutely loved it.

He was like a superhero, um, is the best way I can describe Steve Irwin.

Seeing what he would do with animals, but not only how he would go and handle these animals, but he was constantly enthusiastic about them and constantly, you know, he, he could talk to you about saltwater crocodiles for 20 minutes and you would come away being like, "Saltwater crocodiles are the most amazing animals on the planet." And it kinda rubbed off, 'cause crocodiles, or crocodilians I should say, are my absolute favorite animals.

I could talk about them all day long.

Um, but it got to a point where I was so excited to watch Steve Irwin that my grandma, I remember sitting on her kitchen, uh, or at the kitchen table, she had a timer, a little egg timer, and she would literally say, "Once that timer goes off you can go in the north wing and you can watch Steve Irwin." So that's what I used to do.

... what would be your advice in terms of how to go about doing that?

Okay.

And I really wanted to find a way to give back to the community, volunteer.

I love working with kids.

Uh, and I actually saw, uh, an NFL commercial.

Uh, during the Super Bowl-

Oh

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I saw a Big Brothers Big Sisters commercial, and I, from there, I knew it was something I was kind of interested in.

How are you feeling? [chuckles]

I mean, I think I've met a lot of really lovely people, a lot of very nice people who've come and used my bathroom.

It's been not the best way to meet neighbors, but, like, it's been nice to connect with everybody, and, like, everyone out on the street, and the folks, um, doing all of the stuff have just been really lovely.

If anything, this has made me feel more positive about living here.

I mean, like, there's already the issue of the occupation in LA, right? Like, kind of feels like everywhere.

Um, did you use the bathroom?

You are traitors to America.

ICE was way more aggressive, and the crowd was different.

You guys are still writing letters here and there, or no?

Yeah.

Yeah, definitely.

I just sent one.

I mean, I send him letters.

He doesn't really send me anything back.

I don't know if the option was given to him kinda like, "Your dad wants your cellphone number.

A few weeks ago, Evan was riding the bus home from a meeting when he ran into an old friend from when he was living on the street.

Tell me how you build the ideal snowman.

Rub it down, get it all smooth and stuff.

Get a nice big carrot.

Make sure it's all symmetrical.

Get a nice top hat.

All the good stuff.

You have other things you do, right, with your lives?

Yeah.

And then he had an idea.

Two nights before, I'd found this empty matchbox.

And where I happened to lay down, there was two broken matches on the ground.

And I went inside my sleeping bag and put that little rice grain piece of fentanyl on a piece of foil and I took two hits with the match and then, uh, put it out.

And then I s- and then later, I did the same thing with the other match.

He made his way over to some people he knew and then found one of Joe's flyers.

And then I was like, "Oh, yeah.

That's Joe's, that's Joe's making right there." I immediately was like face palm, like, "No, no, no, no, no, no." (laughs)

Last week, we met Evan, who finally made the decision to try and get off the streets.

Yeah, I'm like falling apart, and, um, and I'm...

In a way I'm kinda, kinda glad 'cause I'm, uh, it's kinda making me turn to like, to, to stop.

The idea behind this approach is that what it costs the city might one day be worth it if Evan can survive long enough to say something like this...

I don't know where to go.

And it's raining, and I'm cold, and I'm hungry, and, uh, I'm over it.

I'm so over it.

... drivers behind it?

Crypto is a secular trend.

I think the protocol business model is equivalent to the software or internet business model.

If we zoom out and we look at software and what it did to the world, software was three things.

It was new products, you know, like Salesforce is a new product that's not possible without software, obviously.

It was a new business model in the sense of its very high gross margin and can achieve 30 to 40% EBITDA margins at scale because of the capital efficiency.

And then it's a new asset class because the way these things scale, the way that they de-risk, the way that you value them is totally different.

Do you see that trend continuing in 2025, 2026?

Yeah.

And then down to level IV, it just really is resources that are available at that specific facility.

So this particular hospital was a level II, but there were only two trauma centers in the area, so we would get a lot of the traumas and the crazy stuff, along with just basic medical patients that come in.

This was around 2017, 2018.

Busy day in the emergency department.

We had a lot of traumas coming in.

The waiting room was full.

This is horrible.