Strategy Meets Reality Podcast
Jun 16, 2026 · 55 min · 12 segments
Your strategy can look brilliant on paper and still be totally disconnected from reality. We talk with Dr Alice Jing Shan, who is the originator of Relational Dynamics™, the founder of ScholarLand…
But first, as you mentioned it, do you mind giving just a bit of context about relational dynamics?
So relational dynamics is something I've been working on for a while, but perhaps consolidated finally in the past year or so.
So it's an umbrella term, umbrella frame that I work within, which I worked, I worked at I proposed ontology called ontology of relational dynamics with a core claim that reality is relational dynamics under constraint over time.
And because it's a solid, I think an ontology, which answers the question, what is reality? And that naturally is upstream and downstream.
It can guide a lot of different ways of understanding how knowledge is generated and how we apply different methods to understand different domains.
So an easy way of understanding it is relational dynamics is my kernel, is my operating system, and everything else is application.
Now, I've just had this, so I'm just fresh off a call with a client this morning, and they've done a great PowerPoint, you know, with listeners who know my content for PowerPoint.
But what they've done is they had a lot of information there about the market, about these competitors doing this, we're doing this but there was nothing that was relational so they were talking about their their opportunities but none of none of it was relational to yeah but in comparative to what and to who so they had all these competitors all around saying that they're doing this they're doing this but what's the relation where is where is it going and i thought that When you think about relational dynamics, thinking about actually what's the interfaces, what's the connections, where is that going on a sort of default trajectory or how could that be not interfered with, but how can we shape that trajectory?
You see organizations talking about certain market and they look at other opponents, what other people are doing.
First of all, I think the relation is not just relation to other people in the field, it's a relation to the field itself.
And in society, in human systems, Very often we forget that the field is changing itself very much and a nested field.
The market can change and your whole industry can just disappear very quickly, especially these days with artificial intelligence.
So the fact that if your eyes are only on what other people similar to your company are doing, I think essentially they're already losing contact with reality.
And we should talk more about, you know, strategy meets reality because I really like the title.
But first, as you mentioned it, do you mind giving just a bit of context about relational dynamics?
So relational dynamics is something I've been working on for a while, but perhaps consolidated finally in the past year or so.
So it's an umbrella term, umbrella frame that I work within, which I worked, I worked at I proposed ontology called ontology of relational dynamics with a core claim that reality is relational dynamics under constraint over time.
And because it's a solid, I think an ontology, which answers the question, what is reality? And that naturally is upstream and downstream.
It can guide a lot of different ways of understanding how knowledge is generated and how we apply different methods to understand different domains.
So an easy way of understanding it is relational dynamics is my kernel, is my operating system, and everything else is application.
Now, I've just had this, so I'm just fresh off a call with a client this morning, and they've done a great PowerPoint, you know, with listeners who know my content for PowerPoint.
But what they've done is they had a lot of information there about the market, about these competitors doing this, we're doing this but there was nothing that was relational so they were talking about their their opportunities but none of none of it was relational to yeah but in comparative to what and to who so they had all these competitors all around saying that they're doing this they're doing this but what's the relation where is where is it going and i thought that When you think about relational dynamics, thinking about actually what's the interfaces, what's the connections, where is that going on a sort of default trajectory or how could that be not interfered with, but how can we shape that trajectory?
You see organizations talking about certain market and they look at other opponents, what other people are doing.
First of all, I think the relation is not just relation to other people in the field, it's a relation to the field itself.
And in society, in human systems, Very often we forget that the field is changing itself very much and a nested field.
The market can change and your whole industry can just disappear very quickly, especially these days with artificial intelligence.
So the fact that if your eyes are only on what other people similar to your company are doing, I think essentially they're already losing contact with reality.
And we should talk more about, you know, strategy meets reality because I really like the title.
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