Oct 9, 2026 · 1 hr 25 min · 12 segments
Why do states carry on extracting fossil fuels amid climate collapse? Why have some pledged to phaseout fossil fuels over the next few decades? Why are supply-side policies important? What will the…
Peter NewellGuestJosh WhiteHost
I guess one cheeky answer to that is the work we're gonna be doing over the next couple of years.
Which is sort of scenario type work, um, trying to work with different actors and, you know, we've, we've had events in, in Colombia and we've done things in Costa Rica, and Freddy and I have done things in the UK, like working with different actors to try and imagine what would be the next step.
And I'm part of these policy dialogues in Salzburg actually with oil and gas dependent economies, government representatives to imagine prosperity beyond fossil fuels.
There's so many different entry points for trying to rethink the economy and to, to accelerate economic diversification.
And some of them are around the impacts, you know, the sacrifice zones, the health impacts that Dani was just talking about.
But there's also those, those economic opportunities and I think one, one concern I have, and this comes from, you know, being on a webinar yesterday with some quite senior figures in this space and, and it's gonna come up at the next COP, is this massive drive for electrification and just rolling out renewables as if that's the only thing that needs to happen.
Although of course, you know, the impacts in terms of mineral mining and everything else need to be properly dealt with.
But if you, if that's just gonna add to the energy mix and you're not gonna take fossil fuels out of the energy mix, then we just end up with a bigger energy economy and a super extractivist one.
So I think there's that sort of rebalancing in the, the debate to do, and I think there is a role for academics as well as movements, of course, in, in pushing back on that.
So I think, you know, the, the academic side of that is, is these things around pathways beyond these first movers.
Like who would be next? What would it take to bring other countries on board? What might future multilateral arrangements look like? And then I think also around managing the toxic politics that we've been talking around, uh, you know, the backlash, um, the policy reversals in the sort of geopolitical moment we're in at the moment, um, in terms of sort of concrete strategies and, and what seems to be working.
I think there is a role for academics in sort of documenting those things and trying to open up new political imaginations and pathways beyond the existing landscape.
I guess one cheeky answer to that is the work we're gonna be doing over the next couple of years.
Which is sort of scenario type work, um, trying to work with different actors and, you know, we've, we've had events in, in Colombia and we've done things in Costa Rica, and Freddy and I have done things in the UK, like working with different actors to try and imagine what would be the next step.
And I'm part of these policy dialogues in Salzburg actually with oil and gas dependent economies, government representatives to imagine prosperity beyond fossil fuels.
There's so many different entry points for trying to rethink the economy and to, to accelerate economic diversification.
And some of them are around the impacts, you know, the sacrifice zones, the health impacts that Dani was just talking about.
But there's also those, those economic opportunities and I think one, one concern I have, and this comes from, you know, being on a webinar yesterday with some quite senior figures in this space and, and it's gonna come up at the next COP, is this massive drive for electrification and just rolling out renewables as if that's the only thing that needs to happen.
Although of course, you know, the impacts in terms of mineral mining and everything else need to be properly dealt with.
But if you, if that's just gonna add to the energy mix and you're not gonna take fossil fuels out of the energy mix, then we just end up with a bigger energy economy and a super extractivist one.
So I think there's that sort of rebalancing in the, the debate to do, and I think there is a role for academics as well as movements, of course, in, in pushing back on that.
So I think, you know, the, the academic side of that is, is these things around pathways beyond these first movers.
Like who would be next? What would it take to bring other countries on board? What might future multilateral arrangements look like? And then I think also around managing the toxic politics that we've been talking around, uh, you know, the backlash, um, the policy reversals in the sort of geopolitical moment we're in at the moment, um, in terms of sort of concrete strategies and, and what seems to be working.
I think there is a role for academics in sort of documenting those things and trying to open up new political imaginations and pathways beyond the existing landscape.
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