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The Cost of Corporate Silence on ICE, Trump's Health, and TikTok USA

Jan 27, 2026 · 1 hr 12 min · 17 segments

Kara Swisher is joined by guest co-host Anthony Scaramucci to discuss why so many business leaders have stayed silent about ICE violence in Minneapolis — and why it's time to push back against Donald…

Kara Swisher is joined by guest co-host Anthony Scaramucci to discuss why so many business leaders have stayed silent about ICE violence in Minneapolis — and why it's time to push back against Donald Trump (and Stephen Miller). Then, Trump goes on the record about his health in a new interview that’s raising more questions and concerns. Plus, TikTok seals the deal to stay in the U.S., but glitches abound. Watch this episode on the ⁠⁠Pivot YouTube channel⁠⁠.Follow us on Instagram and Threads at ⁠⁠@pivotpodcastofficial⁠⁠.Follow us on Bluesky at ⁠⁠@pivotpod.bsky.social⁠⁠Follow us on TikTok at ⁠⁠@pivotpodcast⁠⁠.Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email Pivot@voxmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kara Swisher is joined by guest co-host Anthony Scaramucci to discuss why so many business leaders have stayed silent about ICE violence in Minneapolis — and why it's time to push back against Donald…

Speakers: Anthony ScaramucciGuestKara SwisherHost

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Top entities: Donald Trump×109 Stephen Miller×25 Anthony Scaramucci×28 Kara Swisher×38 Dina Powell×9

Show signals: SuitabilityLimitedBiasLeans leftPopularityTop Podcasttop 1%Audience≈256k followers

Kara Welcomes ‘The Mooch’2:04 – 2:45

Kara SwisherHost

2:04

Hi, everyone.

Kara SwisherHost

2:05

This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Kara SwisherHost

2:08

I'm Kara Swisher.

Kara SwisherHost

2:09

Scott is somewhere on a plane.

Kara SwisherHost

2:11

We did an emergency pod yesterday, and I'm glad you all listened to it.

Kara SwisherHost

2:14

We thought it was critical to do it.

Kara SwisherHost

2:16

So today, I'm joined by a friend of the pod, the one, the only Anthony Scaramucci, also known as The Mooch.

Kara SwisherHost

2:22

Anthony, welcome.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:23

Kara, it's good to be here.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:24

Thanks for having me, and I saw Scott last week in-

Kara SwisherHost

2:27

Yeah

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:28

...

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:28

Davos.

Kara SwisherHost

2:28

Yeah.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:28

I enjoyed his commentary, and, uh, well, I enjoy your commentary.

Kara SwisherHost

2:32

Thank you, Anthony.

Kara SwisherHost

2:33

Um [chuckles] anyway, I'm gonna call you Anthony, not The Mooch anymore.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:36

Okay.

Kara SwisherHost

2:37

Uh, I like that better.

Kara SwisherHost

2:38

You, you sit up straight when I say Anthony.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:40

I'm sitting up straight.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:40

You, you, you yelled at me before we started to sit up straight.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:44

Thanks, Mom.

Kara SwisherHost

2:45

Anytime.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:45

Thanks, Mom.

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Kara Welcomes ‘The Mooch’2:04 – 2:45

Kara SwisherHost

2:04

Hi, everyone.

Kara SwisherHost

2:05

This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Kara SwisherHost

2:08

I'm Kara Swisher.

Kara SwisherHost

2:09

Scott is somewhere on a plane.

Kara SwisherHost

2:11

We did an emergency pod yesterday, and I'm glad you all listened to it.

Kara SwisherHost

2:14

We thought it was critical to do it.

Kara SwisherHost

2:16

So today, I'm joined by a friend of the pod, the one, the only Anthony Scaramucci, also known as The Mooch.

Kara SwisherHost

2:22

Anthony, welcome.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:23

Kara, it's good to be here.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:24

Thanks for having me, and I saw Scott last week in-

Kara SwisherHost

2:27

Yeah

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:28

...

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:28

Davos.

Kara SwisherHost

2:28

Yeah.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:28

I enjoyed his commentary, and, uh, well, I enjoy your commentary.

Kara SwisherHost

2:32

Thank you, Anthony.

Kara SwisherHost

2:33

Um [chuckles] anyway, I'm gonna call you Anthony, not The Mooch anymore.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:36

Okay.

Kara SwisherHost

2:37

Uh, I like that better.

Kara SwisherHost

2:38

You, you sit up straight when I say Anthony.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:40

I'm sitting up straight.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:40

You, you, you yelled at me before we started to sit up straight.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:44

Thanks, Mom.

Kara SwisherHost

2:45

Anytime.

Anthony ScaramucciGuest

2:45

Thanks, Mom.

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SPICY0:28
I Will Fight Trump
Scaramucci unleashes his defiant anti-Trump pledge today
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Culture-War Plan Backfires
Analyzing Trump’s catastrophic Minnesota strategy fallout today
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Stephen Miller’s Call Options
Stephen Miller’s dark strategy revealed by Scaramucci

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