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Paring Down: Realistic minimalism, decluttering, & intentional living

Paring Down: Realistic minimalism, decluttering, & intentional living

208: Can We Survive without Smart Phones? with Andrew Dugan

Sep 9, 2026 · 50 min · 20 segments

What happens when you stop letting your phone dictate your attention? Andrew Dugan joins me to share his journey from smartphone dependency to creating a minimalist smartwatch—and we explore how…

What happens when you stop letting your phone dictate your attention? Andrew Dugan joins me to share his journey from smartphone dependency to creating a minimalist smartwatch—and we explore how technology can affect our mental health, focus, sleep, and relationships. If you’ve ever felt like your devices take more than they give, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on using technology more intentionally rather than trying to get rid of it completely. **ANDREW DUGAN:** Visit RIST.WATCH to order the simplified smartwatch **PARING DOWN (SHANNON LEYKO):** PREORDER MY BOOK, *Don't Save the Good Stuff,* ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Coming April 2027. Join ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠the special book email list⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for behind-the-scenes and opportunities to help get the word out! Sign up for my newsletter! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The L.E.S.S. Express⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.shannonleyko.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@shannonleyko⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@shannon\_leyko⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Youtube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@shannonleyko⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.facebook.com/shannonleyko.paringdown⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Blog & Additional Support (free trial!)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TAKE THE QUIZ!!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ "What's Your Decluttering Type?" & receive a customized playlist with 10 episodes of Paring Down for your exact needs. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠**PARING DOWN RESOURCES**⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠CLICK HERE for free checklist, hacks, worksheet, & more!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ **SPONSORS:** 20% off your first subscription order of AG1 Next Gen or AG1 Pro at ⁠drinkag1.com/paring⁠ Join Wayfair Rewards today to get 5% back on every purchase:⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://www.wayfair.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ethical, luxury women's clothing at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Quince.com/paring⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Get 15% off your first order of organic bedsheets and more at Boll & Branch (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://BollAndBranch.com/paring⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) plus free shipping with code PARING Zenni Optical offers beautiful eye glasses starting at just $30- (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://zenni.com/PODCAST⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) use code PODCAST15 for 15% off your first order Green Chef is the leading sustainable meal kit - (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://Greenchef.com/50paring⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) use code 50paring to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months Make custom gifts with Zazzle - save 25% on your first order (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://Zazzle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) K12 Powered Schools offers tuition-free virtual public school- Enroll online today (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://K12.com/paring⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) 20% OFF any AquaTru water purifier when you go to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠AquaTru.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and use promo code PARING $300 off Air Doctor Pro air purifier:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://airdoctorpro.com/ -⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use code PARING Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when you stop letting your phone dictate your attention? Andrew Dugan joins me to share his journey from smartphone dependency to creating a minimalist smartwatch—and we explore how…

Speakers: Shannon LeykoHostAndrew DuganGuest

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Zenni Eyewear0:00 – 1:07

Shannon LeykoHost

0:00

You guys, I am so in love with my new glasses.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:03

I got gold rim glasses because I finally updated my prescription.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:06

And so that meant it was time for a new pair of glasses.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:10

And I've always wanted a pair that can kind of dress up and look a little bit nicer.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:13

And so I got gold rim glasses from Zenni.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:16

I love that they are affordable.

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0:17

but they're sturdy.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:18

And of course there are tons of options to choose from.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:21

So I got exactly what I had in mind.

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0:23

Zenni is an online eyewear shop and they can do prescription glasses and sunglasses and any customizable lens all starting at under $30.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:31

It's super easy.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:32

They just ship right to your door after you enter your prescription.

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0:34

So you don't have to go to a store visit.

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There's no pressure.

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And there are 150,000 five-star reviews.

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0:40

Me being one of them.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:41

I also love that they do the virtual try on thing so you can see how a frame will look on your face.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:46

So get rid of that scratched up hair that has done its job.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:48

Upgrade today with Zenni.

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0:50

Go to zenni.com slash podcast and use code podcast15 for 15% off your first order, plus free shipping on all US orders over $65.

Shannon LeykoHost

1:00

The styles do sell out, so don't sit on it.

Shannon LeykoHost

1:02

That's Z-E-N-N-I dot com slash podcast promo code podcast15.

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Zenni Eyewear0:00 – 1:07

Shannon LeykoHost

0:00

You guys, I am so in love with my new glasses.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:03

I got gold rim glasses because I finally updated my prescription.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:06

And so that meant it was time for a new pair of glasses.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:10

And I've always wanted a pair that can kind of dress up and look a little bit nicer.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:13

And so I got gold rim glasses from Zenni.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:16

I love that they are affordable.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:17

but they're sturdy.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:18

And of course there are tons of options to choose from.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:21

So I got exactly what I had in mind.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:23

Zenni is an online eyewear shop and they can do prescription glasses and sunglasses and any customizable lens all starting at under $30.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:31

It's super easy.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:32

They just ship right to your door after you enter your prescription.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:34

So you don't have to go to a store visit.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:36

There's no pressure.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:37

And there are 150,000 five-star reviews.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:40

Me being one of them.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:41

I also love that they do the virtual try on thing so you can see how a frame will look on your face.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:46

So get rid of that scratched up hair that has done its job.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:48

Upgrade today with Zenni.

Shannon LeykoHost

0:50

Go to zenni.com slash podcast and use code podcast15 for 15% off your first order, plus free shipping on all US orders over $65.

Shannon LeykoHost

1:00

The styles do sell out, so don't sit on it.

Shannon LeykoHost

1:02

That's Z-E-N-N-I dot com slash podcast promo code podcast15.