Sep 14, 2026 · 1 hr 18 min · 11 segments
I sit down with Luke Bateman to explore the evolving narrative around masculinity, emotional literacy, and why a man's worth isn't solely defined by his productivity or status. We dig into the…
Um, th-this is something that I've been sitting with a lot as, you know, cul-culture sort of becomes-
... uh, just i-individuals seem to have lost the capacity to be in relationship with people that they disagree with.
... that whether we like it or not, we're always living through a version of a narrative.
And sometimes that narrative is just not the narrative that we want and as individuals...
Like I, I run this three-month program called the Men's Health Leadership Program, and at, at the end of it, part of what I do, and I've run like, I don't know, 55, 60 of these groups, and at the end of it, I'll have men write a, a mythological narrative of their life.
And so they give it a, a title, they give it chapters, and they write the arc of their life in just a couple pages, right? Not like, not three, 300 or 400 pages.
And they write the arc of their life, but they're not a person, they're a mythical character, they're a mythical creature.
There's so- there's something other than a human, and it's really meant to contextualize the story of their life and give them a sense of, um, direction-
Um, th-this is something that I've been sitting with a lot as, you know, cul-culture sort of becomes-
... uh, just i-individuals seem to have lost the capacity to be in relationship with people that they disagree with.
... that whether we like it or not, we're always living through a version of a narrative.
And sometimes that narrative is just not the narrative that we want and as individuals...
Like I, I run this three-month program called the Men's Health Leadership Program, and at, at the end of it, part of what I do, and I've run like, I don't know, 55, 60 of these groups, and at the end of it, I'll have men write a, a mythological narrative of their life.
And so they give it a, a title, they give it chapters, and they write the arc of their life in just a couple pages, right? Not like, not three, 300 or 400 pages.
And they write the arc of their life, but they're not a person, they're a mythical character, they're a mythical creature.
There's so- there's something other than a human, and it's really meant to contextualize the story of their life and give them a sense of, um, direction-
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