Addiction

There's gum, there's patches, there's e-cigarettes.

What, you know, if we cannot ascribe harm to the nicotine addiction itself or the nicotine dependence itself, you know, we have ways to reverse the harms from tobacco.

Does anybody have other substances?

I think from a public health standpoint, I completely agree with you.

I knew I needed help to get off of these things.

So I went to CAMH in Toronto, the Center for Addiction and Mental Health.

They interviewed me extensively once over the phone, once in person.

They looked at how much I was taking and how I was taking them, saw that I wasn't abusing them, and then they classified me as physically dependent, not addicted.

The worst thing you, ever can do with anything.

Addiction recovery, sales training, anything, marriage counseling is trying to figure it out on your own.

That's why they have marriage counselors.

That's why LeBron James pays a million dollars a year in coaching, right? That's why Michael Jordan has teams and golfers have teams.

And I'm just... such an advocate of embracing all pathways to recovery and elevating and celebrating all pathways to recovery.

And both of your stories are so illustrative of what recovery can look like, right? And that, you know, we all have a unique path to getting to that recovery and that there's no rock bottom in Addiction, that's a myth.

Courtney, you're proof positive of that.

Kerr, you're proof positive of that.

They can even be motivators.

But addiction, addiction don't care about your kids.

Addiction will come and rear its head when it wants to.

And so right after I had him, you know, here comes addiction.

And it's, you know, it wasn't quite pills, but it was drinking, you know, and here it goes with the live.

And He did.

He did.

So, you know, after hearing her story, I went back home and I just started thinking that Addiction is what I was in.