Sep 15, 2026 · 55 min · 12 segments
**Guest**: Dave Hatfield - https://www.livingstoneglobal.org/about-dave-hatfield/ **Episode Description:** Learn why Dave left Wall Street and Beverly Hills to serve in a Dump site in Kenya for the…
Dave HatfieldGuestSteve SchirmerHostYou know, we grab a ministry and let's, let's slap some corporate structure on it, which, you know, obviously we've gotta have some kind of structure to a degree.
But we, we slap so much corporate structure on things that we, we grow it like we're trying to grow a business.
And when you look at Jesus and the disciples, they walked away from so many, they walked away from ti- from situations where you're like, "Oh my gosh, this thing's growing so quickly.
I, I took my Wall Street experience and my business experience and tried to a- apply it to this new school.
And I looked at what the other ministries were doing, I looked at what other churches were doing, and I tried to do the same thing.
And in our dump site there was a gang war, and one of my four-year-old, uh, students had 27 gang members raid her house one night, and they stabbed her uncle, and they threatened to kill her.
These are hard things, but it's the reality of living in a place like we're at.
And I was in California locked down like everybody else on it with, with COVID and everything, and God said, "Go to Nakuru, and I'll make peace between the gangs for you." And so I got on a plane, and I came.
I figured they'd know me because, you know, I've been in, in the city for, in the town for 10 years.
You know, we grab a ministry and let's, let's slap some corporate structure on it, which, you know, obviously we've gotta have some kind of structure to a degree.
But we, we slap so much corporate structure on things that we, we grow it like we're trying to grow a business.
And when you look at Jesus and the disciples, they walked away from so many, they walked away from ti- from situations where you're like, "Oh my gosh, this thing's growing so quickly.
I, I took my Wall Street experience and my business experience and tried to a- apply it to this new school.
And I looked at what the other ministries were doing, I looked at what other churches were doing, and I tried to do the same thing.
And in our dump site there was a gang war, and one of my four-year-old, uh, students had 27 gang members raid her house one night, and they stabbed her uncle, and they threatened to kill her.
These are hard things, but it's the reality of living in a place like we're at.
And I was in California locked down like everybody else on it with, with COVID and everything, and God said, "Go to Nakuru, and I'll make peace between the gangs for you." And so I got on a plane, and I came.
I figured they'd know me because, you know, I've been in, in the city for, in the town for 10 years.
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