Cornell President apologizes for mishandling 2024 case | Katie Pavlich Tonight Full Show

So for reaction on what we just heard and to the growing scrutiny over Cornell and the way it's handling this case, let's bring in Bethany Mandel, host of the Mom Wars podcast, and Lori Watkins, a former Obama policy advisor.

Great to see you, ladies.

Thanks so much for being here.

So Bethany, let's just start with you.

Your thoughts just overall on what we're watching unfold at Cornell.

I think that we're watching a really interesting moment when it comes to so-called feminists, because they've latched onto this case very strongly and they've decided that this is a situation where women have been victimized and ignored.

But when we actually see Jane Doe's words again and again and again, we see a young woman who provided consent.

And so I'm pretty concerned that we're getting to a point where women just can't be trusted at their word and that we're litigating things way, way, way down the line.

And that's bad for women.

And it's also just bad for society in general.

Laura, do you want to respond to that? Yes, I think that, hey, Bethany, good to see you.

One of the things that I think is being lost in this conversation, and I'm looking at my notes because I want to be very precise here, is the timeline.

And what I'm fascinated by is consent and the difference between state laws and a school's laws or a local law, for example.

And that's what we're seeing in this case.

Consent at one point in the evening does not establish consent hours later.

particularly if additional intoxicants were consumed.

We need to examine each alleged act, the person's capacity at that moment, and what each individual knew at that time.

And you heard the lawyer go into some of that about not lumping necessarily these seven into one specific case, because this went on for hours in the evening.

and the amount of intoxicants that were involved, whether the person at the time was interested in what was going on and gave consent.

And there were times when it seems like she definitely did not and was so intoxicated that she lost all her faculties.

And if you've ever been drugged, this rings familiar

Well, there's no dispute about whether she was taking the drugs voluntarily.

That is something that is not in dispute.

But certainly there's a discrepancy in her story and what happened two years ago and what's happening now, which is why the investigation has been reopened.

But the district attorney at the time said they took what she said seriously, incredibly at the time, and that there was not evidence to pursue criminal charges.

So for reaction on what we just heard and to the growing scrutiny over Cornell and the way it's handling this case, let's bring in Bethany Mandel, host of the Mom Wars podcast, and Lori Watkins, a former Obama policy advisor.

Great to see you, ladies.

Thanks so much for being here.

So Bethany, let's just start with you.

Your thoughts just overall on what we're watching unfold at Cornell.

I think that we're watching a really interesting moment when it comes to so-called feminists, because they've latched onto this case very strongly and they've decided that this is a situation where women have been victimized and ignored.

But when we actually see Jane Doe's words again and again and again, we see a young woman who provided consent.

And so I'm pretty concerned that we're getting to a point where women just can't be trusted at their word and that we're litigating things way, way, way down the line.

And that's bad for women.

And it's also just bad for society in general.

Laura, do you want to respond to that? Yes, I think that, hey, Bethany, good to see you.

One of the things that I think is being lost in this conversation, and I'm looking at my notes because I want to be very precise here, is the timeline.

And what I'm fascinated by is consent and the difference between state laws and a school's laws or a local law, for example.

And that's what we're seeing in this case.

Consent at one point in the evening does not establish consent hours later.

particularly if additional intoxicants were consumed.

We need to examine each alleged act, the person's capacity at that moment, and what each individual knew at that time.

And you heard the lawyer go into some of that about not lumping necessarily these seven into one specific case, because this went on for hours in the evening.

and the amount of intoxicants that were involved, whether the person at the time was interested in what was going on and gave consent.

And there were times when it seems like she definitely did not and was so intoxicated that she lost all her faculties.

And if you've ever been drugged, this rings familiar

Well, there's no dispute about whether she was taking the drugs voluntarily.

That is something that is not in dispute.

But certainly there's a discrepancy in her story and what happened two years ago and what's happening now, which is why the investigation has been reopened.

But the district attorney at the time said they took what she said seriously, incredibly at the time, and that there was not evidence to pursue criminal charges.