Logan James Hope

Uh-oh.

Uh-oh.

The Hammer of the Nail is exactly what you think.

It's, it's physics, right? The hammer is the motion in which the reaction begins, and the nail is when it's finalized, right?

Mm.

So the hammer is the realization that m- my life was falling apart [laughs], and the nail is the realization that it's now in a completely different place.

Mm.

Whether that was me swinging it, life swinging it, the universe swinging it, and so the front half of the record is the hammer.

The last half is the nail.

Mm.

That's cool.

And, um, that's on the front half, and so You Hear Me was the earliest stages of me realizing that my communication with my, with my ex was not great and not healthy, and it's something we needed to work on, and if we didn't, it was gonna end up being the reason why we stopped, and kind of that, that motion, the beginning of that-

Mm

... that movement to the realization of what was gonna happen.

This whole album is all about your divorce, right?

I would say, I would say, I think it's just grief.

Grief, okay.

I think it's grief about my understanding of what the dream of being a musician was supposed to be because as we talked about, a lot of stuff, right? I mean, once Hadley and I had some success, we moved to New York and got signed.

You know, we toured.

We did the whole thing.

I got to see what it was like to be a, a musician, doing it, making money.

It's your job.

So you were riding that high for a while.

Totally, totally.

So tell us about it being happy, and then where did the hammer start coming down, I guess?