Jun 10, 2026 · 30 min · 11 segments
**Season 16 Episode 09** Geopolitical volatility is reshaping the global economic landscape, influencing everything from energy markets and trade flows to technological innovation and security…
Derek CholletGuestGabriela SantosHost
supply chains, these, you know, where the global trading system, right, where in many ways the driver of the late 20th, early 21st century global trading system in the United States has fundamentally changed its approach, right? But just as the U.S.

is kind of going back to the future in a way, right, in terms of – Pursuing a trade policy and imposing tariffs that we haven't seen anything like it since the 1930s in terms of just the overall global tariff rate.

The EU brought to closure a trade deal that had been in the works for years with Latin America, with South American countries, Mercosur.

But I think over time, that kind of rewiring of trade, of supply chains will have an impact.

Now, there's upside opportunities for sure, but there's also a lot of risk built into that as well.
You've written a lot about it with the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
Is there something you think investors are underappreciating around this rewiring? We talk a lot about how it could drive inflation, how there are more supply-side chalks.

I don't think, I mean, in my conversations with clients, investors, it's not, I might say there's a pretty sophisticated understanding of these changes as they are, as they happen day to day.

I think the issue that I find is maybe underappreciated, but I think it's, to be fair, it's underappreciated by all of us, because it's hard to see in the moment, is kind of how lasting this restructuring is going to be.

I think sometimes there's a sense of, well, this is sort of a moment, and then we're going to go back to where things were before.

Like, I don't see the U.S. fundamentally changing its approach to trade from here in the near term or the medium term, right? I think...

Joe Biden was the first U.S. president since 1930, the 1930s, to not pursue a trade deal anywhere.

supply chains, these, you know, where the global trading system, right, where in many ways the driver of the late 20th, early 21st century global trading system in the United States has fundamentally changed its approach, right? But just as the U.S.

is kind of going back to the future in a way, right, in terms of – Pursuing a trade policy and imposing tariffs that we haven't seen anything like it since the 1930s in terms of just the overall global tariff rate.

The EU brought to closure a trade deal that had been in the works for years with Latin America, with South American countries, Mercosur.

But I think over time, that kind of rewiring of trade, of supply chains will have an impact.

Now, there's upside opportunities for sure, but there's also a lot of risk built into that as well.
You've written a lot about it with the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
Is there something you think investors are underappreciating around this rewiring? We talk a lot about how it could drive inflation, how there are more supply-side chalks.

I don't think, I mean, in my conversations with clients, investors, it's not, I might say there's a pretty sophisticated understanding of these changes as they are, as they happen day to day.

I think the issue that I find is maybe underappreciated, but I think it's, to be fair, it's underappreciated by all of us, because it's hard to see in the moment, is kind of how lasting this restructuring is going to be.

I think sometimes there's a sense of, well, this is sort of a moment, and then we're going to go back to where things were before.

Like, I don't see the U.S. fundamentally changing its approach to trade from here in the near term or the medium term, right? I think...

Joe Biden was the first U.S. president since 1930, the 1930s, to not pursue a trade deal anywhere.
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