Why do so many spiritual teachers become corrupt?

Um, yeah.

Well, to me, to me, the, there is a, there is often association, um, a kind of a myth that spiritual people are quite passive and maybe indifferent to the world.

Everything is really perfect, so we don't need to worry about anything.

We don't really need to interfere with world events because everything is basically perfect.

And if you can't sense the perfection, if you can only see the suffering and discord, maybe there's something, something wrong with you.

But I, I don't think that's, that's the case.

I think if you are truly spiritually awakened, you feel a, a very strong impulse to, or a sense of mission to help others and to make the world a better place, to alleviate some of the suffering in the world, to bring harmony into the discord of the world.

So I think, I think that's what fierce grace is.

It, it's a, the endeavor that comes from a, that is basically a deep spiritual impulse to bring harmony into the world, to alleviate the suffering, and actually to enact change in the world, positive change.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely, Steve.

And also, I don't think we have to be spiritually awakened in order to do that because if we had to wait till we were spiritually awakened before we did anything, none of us would ever be able to do anything.

So I, so I think that, um-

Yeah

... and so, yeah, but, um, I just want to make the sort of point is that there's a grace in painful and difficult things happening.

That's the point.

That we think difficult things and painful things and suffering things is not grace, it's bad.

I mean-

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... you know, if we were spiritual, we shouldn't have these things happening.

But actually, it's in our dealing with life's difficulties, in our enduring the suffering that, that we have, um, you know, our partner dies, we have a serious disease, in sort of taking-

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