Communion Tears & Hunger
She remembers first communion, tears flowed unexpectedly.
Centering: The Asian American Christian Podcast
Jul 28, 2026 · 54 min · 14 segments
Bone Symphony—Poetry as Spiritual Practice: A Conversation with Michelle Phương Hồ Daniel and Yulee welcome Michelle Phương Hồ—a Vietnamese American poet based in New Haven and one of Daniel's former…
Michelle Phuong HoGuest
Daniel LeeHost
Yuli LeeHost
I really do enjoy, Daniel, hearing about people you've influenced and mentored, um, at Fuller.

Um, and you know, I would love, you know, the purpose of having you on, Michelle, is we have so many reasons, uh, because you're just an amazing human, person, poet.

But you have a book coming out, which, you know, we mentioned is coming out in October, and you titled it Bone Symphony.

And I'm actually curious, beyond where your book title comes from, like, did you set out to write a book that reassembles, um, like, the bones of your family history? Or did you only realize that's what it was doing once you were in the process of writing it, you know, as it created?

I knew, I knew back maybe, like, 20- 2017, 2018, I felt like I had a book in me, but actually at that time, um, it's funny, I had this conversation, a very brief conversation, with Willie James Jennings while visiting New Haven.

And I remember really wrestling with the costs of assimilating into whiteness, the model minority myth, all of that, and I remember him saying, "Oh, there's been so many books of people who've written about, say, like, the immigrant experience, the refugee experience, assimilation, but, like, what happens after?" Basically, what happens after you've taken stock of-

... of the wreckage that [laughs] has become your life trying to figure out how to live in this empire, right? And so I thought that was where, where I was going, and I do think that there are some threads from that period of reckoning.

But the title, I, as a poet, sometimes you start a poem and you don't really know where it's going, and that's actually part of the excitement of it, the uncertainty, the mystery, and you're sort of feeling your way through into language.

I really do enjoy, Daniel, hearing about people you've influenced and mentored, um, at Fuller.

Um, and you know, I would love, you know, the purpose of having you on, Michelle, is we have so many reasons, uh, because you're just an amazing human, person, poet.

But you have a book coming out, which, you know, we mentioned is coming out in October, and you titled it Bone Symphony.

And I'm actually curious, beyond where your book title comes from, like, did you set out to write a book that reassembles, um, like, the bones of your family history? Or did you only realize that's what it was doing once you were in the process of writing it, you know, as it created?

I knew, I knew back maybe, like, 20- 2017, 2018, I felt like I had a book in me, but actually at that time, um, it's funny, I had this conversation, a very brief conversation, with Willie James Jennings while visiting New Haven.

And I remember really wrestling with the costs of assimilating into whiteness, the model minority myth, all of that, and I remember him saying, "Oh, there's been so many books of people who've written about, say, like, the immigrant experience, the refugee experience, assimilation, but, like, what happens after?" Basically, what happens after you've taken stock of-

... of the wreckage that [laughs] has become your life trying to figure out how to live in this empire, right? And so I thought that was where, where I was going, and I do think that there are some threads from that period of reckoning.

But the title, I, as a poet, sometimes you start a poem and you don't really know where it's going, and that's actually part of the excitement of it, the uncertainty, the mystery, and you're sort of feeling your way through into language.
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