Sep 21, 2026 · 1 hr 27 min · 10 segments
Dennis McKenna sits down with scholar, lawyer, and philosopher Tam Hunt (UC Santa Barbara’s META Lab) to dive deep into the mysteries of consciousness, psychedelics, and the existential crossroads of…
Tam HuntGuest
Dennis McKennaHost
it seems to have more explanatory power than some of the other theories, particularly on this persistent question that neuroscientists and philosophers ruminate about, the hard problem of consciousness, right? We could look at what the brain does.

Your postulate, and I think what makes GRT difference is you're saying that these electromagnetic standing waves, which are nested and reinforce each other, that is not separate from consciousness.

So it's a strong assertion, but it's one we make with the confidence of our assertion, at least, and we frame it as an empirical program.

We say, look, our approach suggests that Uncontroversially, the physics of life and consciousness is nothing but EM fields.

And the very small is governed by nuclear forces also, strong, weak nuclear forces.

But at the realm, the scale of life and consciousness, it is uncontroversially EM fields.

There is a non-trivial part in that we say, well, it's not about neurons and their spikes.

We say, look, the spike code, yes, is important, And yes, it certainly has a major role to play in motor neurons and movement and sensory structures.

But in terms of complex cognition and consciousness, there seems to be a whole lot more going on empirically in the EM fields that are produced by the brain and body and not necessarily the spikes themselves.

And so the spikes seem to play a strong role in creating a penumbra of EM fields in and around the brain and body.

And we are saying that penumbra, that EM field, the hair of the brain and body, that is where complex cognition and consciousness reside.

it seems to have more explanatory power than some of the other theories, particularly on this persistent question that neuroscientists and philosophers ruminate about, the hard problem of consciousness, right? We could look at what the brain does.

Your postulate, and I think what makes GRT difference is you're saying that these electromagnetic standing waves, which are nested and reinforce each other, that is not separate from consciousness.

So it's a strong assertion, but it's one we make with the confidence of our assertion, at least, and we frame it as an empirical program.

We say, look, our approach suggests that Uncontroversially, the physics of life and consciousness is nothing but EM fields.

And the very small is governed by nuclear forces also, strong, weak nuclear forces.

But at the realm, the scale of life and consciousness, it is uncontroversially EM fields.

There is a non-trivial part in that we say, well, it's not about neurons and their spikes.

We say, look, the spike code, yes, is important, And yes, it certainly has a major role to play in motor neurons and movement and sensory structures.

But in terms of complex cognition and consciousness, there seems to be a whole lot more going on empirically in the EM fields that are produced by the brain and body and not necessarily the spikes themselves.

And so the spikes seem to play a strong role in creating a penumbra of EM fields in and around the brain and body.

And we are saying that penumbra, that EM field, the hair of the brain and body, that is where complex cognition and consciousness reside.
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