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Sep 8, 2026 · 54 min · 15 segments
Creator and influencer marketing continue to evolve, and AI is changing what success looks like. Join us as we sit down with Lee Odden, CEO of…
Lee OddenGuest
Steffen HedebrandtHostLauraHostLike crystallizing a little bit into like you start to have marketplaces for creators, you have managers for creators as well.

When my head of influencer marketing first mentioned to me, it's like, yeah, I've got to go through their manager.

They have a creative talent agency that they're working through and that's who we have to negotiate contracts with.

And that speaks to one of the findings we had from the research in that one of the largest, most notable things was The rise in entertainment, what we call entertainment creators.

This is an interesting thing for B2B, right? So usually an influencer is this sort of analyst or subject matter expert, super user, really in-depth, great credentials, many years of experience.

And so humor, sketches, micro dramas, you know, the ability to perform, but also with a relevant audience topically is becoming more and more attractive.

In fact, there are more, our surveys found that more people We're working with more entertainment creators, about 33%, than analysts, which I think is only 32%, which is crazy.
Yeah, you see it on LinkedIn nowadays that there's pages dedicated to just provide daily infotainment.
There's these people who just build a following there that is not necessarily targeted towards being the best cybersecurity analyst

So when the dust settles of the romance of these famous creators who could be actors in Hollywood, but instead they're being a creator, when the dust settles off of that and you look at the data and you're like, okay, what's the ROI? And so one size fits all is a really dangerous trap to fall into.

And like I said, it's a very romantic notion that your brand can be associated with this really famous person.

But when it comes time to engagement and conversion, you know, that's where we need to lean a little more on those traditional influencers who have deep domain expertise and the practitioners have respect for them, not because they're charismatic, but because they have proven themselves to be someone who's solving difficult problems, who can give credible and consistent, solid advice.
Like crystallizing a little bit into like you start to have marketplaces for creators, you have managers for creators as well.

When my head of influencer marketing first mentioned to me, it's like, yeah, I've got to go through their manager.

They have a creative talent agency that they're working through and that's who we have to negotiate contracts with.

And that speaks to one of the findings we had from the research in that one of the largest, most notable things was The rise in entertainment, what we call entertainment creators.

This is an interesting thing for B2B, right? So usually an influencer is this sort of analyst or subject matter expert, super user, really in-depth, great credentials, many years of experience.

And so humor, sketches, micro dramas, you know, the ability to perform, but also with a relevant audience topically is becoming more and more attractive.

In fact, there are more, our surveys found that more people We're working with more entertainment creators, about 33%, than analysts, which I think is only 32%, which is crazy.
Yeah, you see it on LinkedIn nowadays that there's pages dedicated to just provide daily infotainment.
There's these people who just build a following there that is not necessarily targeted towards being the best cybersecurity analyst

So when the dust settles of the romance of these famous creators who could be actors in Hollywood, but instead they're being a creator, when the dust settles off of that and you look at the data and you're like, okay, what's the ROI? And so one size fits all is a really dangerous trap to fall into.

And like I said, it's a very romantic notion that your brand can be associated with this really famous person.

But when it comes time to engagement and conversion, you know, that's where we need to lean a little more on those traditional influencers who have deep domain expertise and the practitioners have respect for them, not because they're charismatic, but because they have proven themselves to be someone who's solving difficult problems, who can give credible and consistent, solid advice.
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