Oct 6, 2026 · 56 min · 12 segments
Team Simon here! A Bit of Optimism is on a short break, and brand-new episodes return October 27. Until then, we're revisiting a few conversations we keep coming back to. This week it's Arthur Brooks…
The other thing that I think is very, very important, which is the, the willingness to go backwards, and you s- you touched upon this, which is to lose money, lose, lose what appears to be momentum, lose power.
I think a lot of people think that if you, if you only maintain forward momentum, that's the only way to, to advance.
But the reality is it's kind of more like a slingshot, which is at some point you have to go back and then it fires forward a lot faster than if you were just walking the stone forwards.
When you were starting out, I mean, you're a very well-known, very highly compensated public speaker.
If you wanna get Simon Sinek, you gotta book him a year in advance, and you gotta have some money in the bank because that's a big part of how you make your living, but also you just don't take anything.
I know your humble origins on that, 'cause you told me when you were starting out, you said, "I wanna do a lot of public speaking 'cause I have a lot of ideas, and I wanna share them with the, my fellow humans." You actually said that you took every opportunity you could possibly find to talk about ideas in front of people.
And so six people would say, "Simon, can you come to my apartment and talk to us about whatever?" And you'd be like, "Yes, I will do that."
And what that sounds an awful lot like is using your precious time with very little compensation, and you have to be willing to do that because you gotta get in your reps.
I talk to a lot of my students, for example, 65% of my happiness students at Harvard are women.
The other thing that I think is very, very important, which is the, the willingness to go backwards, and you s- you touched upon this, which is to lose money, lose, lose what appears to be momentum, lose power.
I think a lot of people think that if you, if you only maintain forward momentum, that's the only way to, to advance.
But the reality is it's kind of more like a slingshot, which is at some point you have to go back and then it fires forward a lot faster than if you were just walking the stone forwards.
When you were starting out, I mean, you're a very well-known, very highly compensated public speaker.
If you wanna get Simon Sinek, you gotta book him a year in advance, and you gotta have some money in the bank because that's a big part of how you make your living, but also you just don't take anything.
I know your humble origins on that, 'cause you told me when you were starting out, you said, "I wanna do a lot of public speaking 'cause I have a lot of ideas, and I wanna share them with the, my fellow humans." You actually said that you took every opportunity you could possibly find to talk about ideas in front of people.
And so six people would say, "Simon, can you come to my apartment and talk to us about whatever?" And you'd be like, "Yes, I will do that."
And what that sounds an awful lot like is using your precious time with very little compensation, and you have to be willing to do that because you gotta get in your reps.
I talk to a lot of my students, for example, 65% of my happiness students at Harvard are women.
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