Sep 16, 2026 · 1 hr 8 min · 10 segments
Andrew Holbert, founder of Pareto FM, shares the unfiltered story of how he went from starting a facilities management business in his bedroom (in his pants) to building a £50 million operation with…
Andrew HolbertGuest
Brad StainesHost
So in facilities management, and, and actually many service sectors, it's very easy to start focusing on starting small.

... and he's going around and he's doing a few bits, and then maybe you get two men or three men, four men, whatever.

So I was only targeting customers that had at least one permanent member of staff based on site.

So in facilities management, we were really focusing on engineering, so engineers, electrical, mechanical, air conditioning engineers based on sites, and then also management teams, so facilities managers or reception teams and all that sort of stuff.

We never self-delivered cleaning and security because that was too hard work and people were better than we were.

Now, why that's important is because in my model, let's just say I have 10 engineers and they're permanently based on 10 different sites for customers.

The customer pays 100% of their cost regardless of the output of that engineer.

So now if I have a guy in a van and he's only utilized for 45% of the week, well, the other 55% I'm taking to overhead, whereas in my model, 100% utilization of every staff member every week always paid by the customer on a 1/12 basis throughout the year.

So in facilities management, and, and actually many service sectors, it's very easy to start focusing on starting small.

... and he's going around and he's doing a few bits, and then maybe you get two men or three men, four men, whatever.

So I was only targeting customers that had at least one permanent member of staff based on site.

So in facilities management, we were really focusing on engineering, so engineers, electrical, mechanical, air conditioning engineers based on sites, and then also management teams, so facilities managers or reception teams and all that sort of stuff.

We never self-delivered cleaning and security because that was too hard work and people were better than we were.

Now, why that's important is because in my model, let's just say I have 10 engineers and they're permanently based on 10 different sites for customers.

The customer pays 100% of their cost regardless of the output of that engineer.

So now if I have a guy in a van and he's only utilized for 45% of the week, well, the other 55% I'm taking to overhead, whereas in my model, 100% utilization of every staff member every week always paid by the customer on a 1/12 basis throughout the year.
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