Jun 22, 2026 · 50 min · 13 segments
What happens when spirituality teaches you to transcend your body but doesn't teach you how to return to it? In this episode, Eileen sits down with Cynthia Abulafia, author, educator, yoga therapist…
Cynthia AbulafiaGuestEileenHostYeah, I what strikes I love this conversation because it's so echoing so much of what I speak to and have been really like chewing on for the last few years.
But to me, it's almost like those Eastern thought traditions got brought into a Western lens, which is inherently dualistic because of the Enlightenment philosophy thinkers that brought us Cartesian logic, the dualism of mind-body, the separation of human from nature and mind over matter.
And so we lost the parts of those traditions often, I think, that really are grounded in the body.
because we often will cherry pick and or learn through our own lens, which of course we learn through our own lens.
And that dissonance is really starting to become apparent to so many of us.
I think that loss of connection of the sacredness of the messy embodied being.

And to be fair, the body hasn't been treated so kindly in Eastern traditions either.
So

to be totally fair, this kind of patriarchy of spirituality is transnational, global, and historic.
And

it has many different fingers that go into many different religions, traditions, and lineages.

There is a way that these sharing of traditions and the sharing of stories in our very interconnected, globalized world today has brought forth the, let's say like the unique signature of conditioning that each one of us brings to the table.

And I think in hearing each other's stories, East, West, North, and South, we have an opportunity to be like, hey, where did we buy into this collective belief? Because, yeah, it's true that some of the traditions that are the most radically female sex affirming in terms of like a divinity being put into the visual representation of a female sexed body, like, right, that does occur more frequently in places like India.

But even in places like India, there's an orthodoxy also that skews actually very rigidly masculine.

And so yes, and I just want to say yes, and because I think sometimes we diminish the modern perspective in a certain way.

And part of what I'm interested in doing is like, well, what is working in our modern times?
Because

when I'm looking around me in this spiritual marketplace, I'm seeing people from all over the world embodying their bodies and pulling from multiple threads to do that.
Yeah, that's...
Thank you for bringing that point forward.
Yeah, I what strikes I love this conversation because it's so echoing so much of what I speak to and have been really like chewing on for the last few years.
But to me, it's almost like those Eastern thought traditions got brought into a Western lens, which is inherently dualistic because of the Enlightenment philosophy thinkers that brought us Cartesian logic, the dualism of mind-body, the separation of human from nature and mind over matter.
And so we lost the parts of those traditions often, I think, that really are grounded in the body.
because we often will cherry pick and or learn through our own lens, which of course we learn through our own lens.
And that dissonance is really starting to become apparent to so many of us.
I think that loss of connection of the sacredness of the messy embodied being.

And to be fair, the body hasn't been treated so kindly in Eastern traditions either.
So

to be totally fair, this kind of patriarchy of spirituality is transnational, global, and historic.
And

it has many different fingers that go into many different religions, traditions, and lineages.

There is a way that these sharing of traditions and the sharing of stories in our very interconnected, globalized world today has brought forth the, let's say like the unique signature of conditioning that each one of us brings to the table.

And I think in hearing each other's stories, East, West, North, and South, we have an opportunity to be like, hey, where did we buy into this collective belief? Because, yeah, it's true that some of the traditions that are the most radically female sex affirming in terms of like a divinity being put into the visual representation of a female sexed body, like, right, that does occur more frequently in places like India.

But even in places like India, there's an orthodoxy also that skews actually very rigidly masculine.

And so yes, and I just want to say yes, and because I think sometimes we diminish the modern perspective in a certain way.

And part of what I'm interested in doing is like, well, what is working in our modern times?
Because

when I'm looking around me in this spiritual marketplace, I'm seeing people from all over the world embodying their bodies and pulling from multiple threads to do that.
Yeah, that's...
Thank you for bringing that point forward.
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