Oct 22, 2026 · 44 min · 11 segments
Is it time for the UK, Europe, Canada and others to stop trying to keep up with the latest irrational policy change from the White House? If the US is an unreliable ally, is it time to make other…
Paul WhiteleyGuestPhil DobbieHost
Roger HearingHostCan you imagine just living in Trump world forever and ever? But I do wonder, look, there is a lot of people now are sick of America, let's be honest, including people within America.
But being pushed around, the bully in the schoolyard eventually gets beaten, don't they, by everybody else? Well, not

possibly because we're all brought up on American cultural values, you know, Hollywood movies in which the bully gets defeated, but maybe he doesn't this time.
But, I mean, it would be nice to think that we can somehow pave a way forward where we just don't have to answer questions to his demands, where we can have a more moderate path going forwards.
The problem is, is there enough people to form that alliance in a way that they're going to be able to reach an agreement on stuff, you know, without Donald Trump? Maybe we need a bully to try and move things forward.

Or maybe what we need or what we come to rely on is the dollar, the technology, the AI, all the various things, as well as the military side of it, which is being a bit reduced at the moment.
So they're starting to produce stuff like AI now, which we're building data centres for, but the technology is basically based in Silicon Valley by and large, and we are going to be even more answerable to America.
So that then becomes a bigger concern, and we're having to kowtow to America on that.
We're not introducing the legislation that's required, I think, because we're scared of it.

You know, if we start trying to rein in the big tech companies, it will tax them.

And we know Andy Burnham's having trouble doing this at the moment around the latest prognostications coming
Can you imagine just living in Trump world forever and ever? But I do wonder, look, there is a lot of people now are sick of America, let's be honest, including people within America.
But being pushed around, the bully in the schoolyard eventually gets beaten, don't they, by everybody else? Well, not

possibly because we're all brought up on American cultural values, you know, Hollywood movies in which the bully gets defeated, but maybe he doesn't this time.
But, I mean, it would be nice to think that we can somehow pave a way forward where we just don't have to answer questions to his demands, where we can have a more moderate path going forwards.
The problem is, is there enough people to form that alliance in a way that they're going to be able to reach an agreement on stuff, you know, without Donald Trump? Maybe we need a bully to try and move things forward.

Or maybe what we need or what we come to rely on is the dollar, the technology, the AI, all the various things, as well as the military side of it, which is being a bit reduced at the moment.
So they're starting to produce stuff like AI now, which we're building data centres for, but the technology is basically based in Silicon Valley by and large, and we are going to be even more answerable to America.
So that then becomes a bigger concern, and we're having to kowtow to America on that.
We're not introducing the legislation that's required, I think, because we're scared of it.

You know, if we start trying to rein in the big tech companies, it will tax them.

And we know Andy Burnham's having trouble doing this at the moment around the latest prognostications coming
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