Jul 21, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min · 14 segments
Cleo Ballard built her AI antagonist, Aletheia, around a specific problem: how do you make a protective directive believable as the actual danger, instead of turning Aletheia into a random villain…
Nan FischerGuest
Marc NadeauHost
okay that's fascinating i'm glad you did because it was a much stronger story for for that whole that whole layer of feeling her as a character for sure.
Like very first book that I ever wrote was a sport autobiography that I co-wrote with Bella Caroli.
I had written a proposal for his project that got kind of put in a pile with other proposals.
And then he read mine and called me and I flew to his ranch and spent a weekend with, with Bella and his wife, Marta, just kind of playing around at the ranch, driving four wheelers.
And at the end, he was like, I said, what do you think? And he said, yeah, you, you've got the job.
And then I wrote them as separate chapters because I didn't know what I was doing.
And then I had to kind of, I had them all on my apartment floor and I had to kind of go through and pick them and weave them together.
So that, that brings me to a question then of, so Cleo Ballard, this is book one for her.
How many books is this? What book is this for you? What does it represent overall?
this is, I haven't counted, but this is like 13 or 14 or something with the sport autobiographies.
okay that's fascinating i'm glad you did because it was a much stronger story for for that whole that whole layer of feeling her as a character for sure.
Like very first book that I ever wrote was a sport autobiography that I co-wrote with Bella Caroli.
I had written a proposal for his project that got kind of put in a pile with other proposals.
And then he read mine and called me and I flew to his ranch and spent a weekend with, with Bella and his wife, Marta, just kind of playing around at the ranch, driving four wheelers.
And at the end, he was like, I said, what do you think? And he said, yeah, you, you've got the job.
And then I wrote them as separate chapters because I didn't know what I was doing.
And then I had to kind of, I had them all on my apartment floor and I had to kind of go through and pick them and weave them together.
So that, that brings me to a question then of, so Cleo Ballard, this is book one for her.
How many books is this? What book is this for you? What does it represent overall?
this is, I haven't counted, but this is like 13 or 14 or something with the sport autobiographies.
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