Oct 14, 2026 · 1 hr 54 min · 14 segments
Part 13 of 13 -- the last one on Bostock, baby ! Update: Richard A. Epstein said about 7 months ago on Law Talk with John Yoo (Feb 2026) in the first 20 minutes of the Feb 2026 episode that there is…
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What's the issue in this case again? It's about how to interpret a statute, the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

We've also talked about the Civil Right- Rights Act of 1964 in other episodes, like for example, our, uh, series we're doing on Chris Caldwell's Age of Enlightenment.

I s- I would say a close second is a book about Wi- Barry Goldwater called Before the Storm.

We wanna understand the '60s, we also wanna understand wokeness here on the podcast, 'cause this has been so damaging.

He says on page 159 of the slip opinion, which is actually his page 15 of the slip opinion, Kavanaugh dissenting cite as 590 US Reports blank 2020.

I'm, I'm hoping it's in the volume at, at some point pretty soon, if it's not already.

In short, an extensive body of federal law both reflects and reinforces the widespread understanding that sexual orientation discrimination is distinct from, and not a form of, sex discrimination.

Recall, this, um, had two Republicans peel off and join the Democrats, interpreting this statute to encompass in its language of sex discrimination prevention, uh, both transgender, so-called transgender discrimination, and sexual orientation discrimination, so that you have the alphabet people coming out and saying, "We're sex discriminated too, and let's, let's get some protection from this bill in 1964." And the Republicans, like Gorsuch and Roberts, said, "Yeah, that sounds great." And Kavanaugh saying, "No." Alito saying, "No." So Republicans are on the dissent.

And Kavanaugh is saying the story is the same with bills proposed in Congress.

Since the 1970s, members of Congress have introduced many bills to prohibit sexual orientation discrimination in the workplace.

Until very recently, all of those bills would have expressed- expressly established sexual orientation as a separately proscribed category of sex- of discrimination.

The bills did not define sex discrimination to encompass sexual orientation discrimination.

How do we interpret what the statute in 1964 means? And Kavanaugh is saying, no, they didn't have the so-called transgender stuff on their radar, and they didn't have the so-called gay stuff on their rad- radar either.

What's the issue in this case again? It's about how to interpret a statute, the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

We've also talked about the Civil Right- Rights Act of 1964 in other episodes, like for example, our, uh, series we're doing on Chris Caldwell's Age of Enlightenment.

I s- I would say a close second is a book about Wi- Barry Goldwater called Before the Storm.

We wanna understand the '60s, we also wanna understand wokeness here on the podcast, 'cause this has been so damaging.

He says on page 159 of the slip opinion, which is actually his page 15 of the slip opinion, Kavanaugh dissenting cite as 590 US Reports blank 2020.

I'm, I'm hoping it's in the volume at, at some point pretty soon, if it's not already.

In short, an extensive body of federal law both reflects and reinforces the widespread understanding that sexual orientation discrimination is distinct from, and not a form of, sex discrimination.

Recall, this, um, had two Republicans peel off and join the Democrats, interpreting this statute to encompass in its language of sex discrimination prevention, uh, both transgender, so-called transgender discrimination, and sexual orientation discrimination, so that you have the alphabet people coming out and saying, "We're sex discriminated too, and let's, let's get some protection from this bill in 1964." And the Republicans, like Gorsuch and Roberts, said, "Yeah, that sounds great." And Kavanaugh saying, "No." Alito saying, "No." So Republicans are on the dissent.

And Kavanaugh is saying the story is the same with bills proposed in Congress.

Since the 1970s, members of Congress have introduced many bills to prohibit sexual orientation discrimination in the workplace.

Until very recently, all of those bills would have expressed- expressly established sexual orientation as a separately proscribed category of sex- of discrimination.

The bills did not define sex discrimination to encompass sexual orientation discrimination.

How do we interpret what the statute in 1964 means? And Kavanaugh is saying, no, they didn't have the so-called transgender stuff on their radar, and they didn't have the so-called gay stuff on their rad- radar either.
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