**Description:**
**Sixteen years ago, Jonathan Rogers finished the novel he was proudest of — and watched it fail so completely that it never made it onto a single bookstore shelf. In this conversation with Andrew Osenga, Jonathan revisits that heartbreak as he re-releases **The Charlatan's Boy** with a new cover and new illustrations, and traces how the experience forced him to ask an uncomfortable question: why did he need strangers he'd never meet to tell him he mattered? That reckoning eventually pulled him out of a lonely writing life and into founding The Habit, a community built on the idea that writers don't need to compete to do good work — they just need someone in their corner.**
**Thought-Provoking Quotes:**
**"Why is it so important to me that people I don't know admire me? Why do I need to be loved by people I can't love back?" - Jonathan Rogers**
**"It's the loneliest thing in the world when the book comes out and the world doesn't stop and notice." - Jonathan Rogers**
**"You don't have to prove yourself. You don't have to make a name for yourself. You've got a name and you've got an identity." - Jonathan Rogers**
**"I'm not nearly as afraid of failure as I used to be." - Jonathan Rogers**
**“Writing is a good thing to do whether you get published or not” - Jonathan Rogers**
**Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:**
The Charlatan's Boy **by Jonathan Rogers**
The Wilderking Trilogy **by Jonathan Rogers**
The Habit **— Jonathan's membership community/organization for writers**
The Habit's "Focus Retreat"
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**\*All episode music is by Andrew Osenga.**
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***\*The Pivot is produced in conjunction with*** *Four Eyes Media***.**