Sep 14, 2026 · 1 hr 9 min · 29 segments
This is one of the most eye-opening conversations Mel has had on the podcast. Today, Dr. Jonathan Haidt joins Mel to explain what constant quick dopamine is doing to attention, motivation…
I would love to start with just really digging into your research in this blockbuster book, The Anxious Generation.
So the most important component of happiness, research in positive psychology has shown this for decades, the most important thing is relationships and relatedness.
We need to have close relationships, supportive relationships in our family, and then as kids, especially as they reach adolescence, the plan is they kinda move out.
They stop being y- under your tutelage, under your protection, and they need to begin creating their own life, and that means that they need to make it in the world of prestige of their peers.
So that's always been the case, and that's why, I don't, w- was like for you, I hated seventh grade.
How I look, uh, you know, suddenly, it suddenly matters so much." So middle school is a very, very difficult time.
But if now suddenly everyone is online, and everyone is connected, and the companies tell us, "Oh, it's how you make connections.
It helps kids, you know, get together." But what kids need is a few close friends, and, and early on, what we were told was, "Oh, this is, uh, you know, it let- lets them, you know, uh, have an Instagram page.
They'll have all these followers." Um, but it turns out that that doesn't bring you closer to your friends.
Because the average American teen now spends five hours a day on social media, mostly watching short videos.
I would love to start with just really digging into your research in this blockbuster book, The Anxious Generation.
So the most important component of happiness, research in positive psychology has shown this for decades, the most important thing is relationships and relatedness.
We need to have close relationships, supportive relationships in our family, and then as kids, especially as they reach adolescence, the plan is they kinda move out.
They stop being y- under your tutelage, under your protection, and they need to begin creating their own life, and that means that they need to make it in the world of prestige of their peers.
So that's always been the case, and that's why, I don't, w- was like for you, I hated seventh grade.
How I look, uh, you know, suddenly, it suddenly matters so much." So middle school is a very, very difficult time.
But if now suddenly everyone is online, and everyone is connected, and the companies tell us, "Oh, it's how you make connections.
It helps kids, you know, get together." But what kids need is a few close friends, and, and early on, what we were told was, "Oh, this is, uh, you know, it let- lets them, you know, uh, have an Instagram page.
They'll have all these followers." Um, but it turns out that that doesn't bring you closer to your friends.
Because the average American teen now spends five hours a day on social media, mostly watching short videos.
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