Sep 18, 2026 · 51 min · 12 segments
Could light play a bigger role in your dog’s health than we realise? In this episode of the Dog Longevity Podcast, veterinarian Dr. David Haworth speaks with Jackie Jolie, founder of AnimaSol and an…
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So I want to be really clear that I'm not challenging the science, but I want to hear more about it because you made the distinction between allopathic medicine and holistic medicine.

And I do think one of the challenges that allopathic medicine has with holistic approaches is that we're throwing a bunch of stuff at things.

And it's really hard to figure out what part of that is having an impact, and how can we measure that? Now, I know a lot of holistic practitioners who would say, David, who cares?

What does it matter what's working as long as it's working and whether the pet's telling us that it's working or the pet parent is observing that it's working? But I think There is still a value in kind of – let's try to break those different things apart.

And in particular, how do you know that this way of this modality is having a direct impact? And I think this gets down into the science that I feel like you're just itching to talk about.
I mean the nice thing is – you start talking about light or energetics and still even on the allopathic side of it, it's like, ooh, that's a little woo-woo, you know? And when it comes down to measuring, like, you know, my job was doing a lot of massage work, right? On the physical therapy cases.
There's not a ton of actual peer-reviewed scientific studies on massage working.
You know, you might be helping with like just muscles releasing and feeling better, but where can you actually get that tactile energy Data, it's very hard.
Now, yeah, the person feels better and they move better and they perform better.
So you're seeing the actual observations in the field, but it's sometimes hard to get those studies.
Number one, I think most people understand most clinical, well, maybe they don't.
So there's got to be funding that's high enough to fund this specific modality, whatever it might be.
And I will say that I think on the non-allopathic side, so holistic, natural, alternative, whatever you want to call it, There's not a lot of money there to be able to fund these things to show that they work.

So I want to be really clear that I'm not challenging the science, but I want to hear more about it because you made the distinction between allopathic medicine and holistic medicine.

And I do think one of the challenges that allopathic medicine has with holistic approaches is that we're throwing a bunch of stuff at things.

And it's really hard to figure out what part of that is having an impact, and how can we measure that? Now, I know a lot of holistic practitioners who would say, David, who cares?

What does it matter what's working as long as it's working and whether the pet's telling us that it's working or the pet parent is observing that it's working? But I think There is still a value in kind of – let's try to break those different things apart.

And in particular, how do you know that this way of this modality is having a direct impact? And I think this gets down into the science that I feel like you're just itching to talk about.
I mean the nice thing is – you start talking about light or energetics and still even on the allopathic side of it, it's like, ooh, that's a little woo-woo, you know? And when it comes down to measuring, like, you know, my job was doing a lot of massage work, right? On the physical therapy cases.
There's not a ton of actual peer-reviewed scientific studies on massage working.
You know, you might be helping with like just muscles releasing and feeling better, but where can you actually get that tactile energy Data, it's very hard.
Now, yeah, the person feels better and they move better and they perform better.
So you're seeing the actual observations in the field, but it's sometimes hard to get those studies.
Number one, I think most people understand most clinical, well, maybe they don't.
So there's got to be funding that's high enough to fund this specific modality, whatever it might be.
And I will say that I think on the non-allopathic side, so holistic, natural, alternative, whatever you want to call it, There's not a lot of money there to be able to fund these things to show that they work.
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