The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria
Jan 30, 2026 · 1 hr 1 min · 20 segments
In this episode of the Behavioral Observations Podcast, I'm joined by Kim Dean, founder of Apollo Behavior, and Kristen Vaughn, Vice President of Clinical Operations, to talk about what it really…
Kim DeanGuest
Kristen VaughnGuestMatt CicoriaHostto a North Star, if you will, to always be shooting for and not necessarily like a goal that you can achieve or something like that.
I'm curious, when you guys use that term clinical excellence, Apollo, what specifically are you talking about? And then maybe we can get down to maybe some of the more actionable or tactical things that might be more easily measurable.
But let's just start from the so-called 30,000-foot view of what you mean when you use this term clinical excellence.

It's kind of, really, it's everyone's job at Apollo, but there's also a specific team with specific team members that do that.

And so we have a senior director of clinical excellence, a couple of directors of clinical excellence, and we have training coordinators.

And a lot of what they're doing is making sure that we have phenomenal training, we have phenomenal quality assurance, and we measure what we're doing over time.

And they are, in many ways, kind of the gatekeepers of who we admit into our organization as well.

We have a lot of people that are trying to get people excited to work at Apollo, but we apply a pretty strong filter to make sure for the BCBAs in particular that we're admitting from outside of our organization that they measure up to our standards.

He asked me point blank, how do you know you're doing a good job? And I think, you know, that was in 2019, I guess, maybe early 2020.
to a North Star, if you will, to always be shooting for and not necessarily like a goal that you can achieve or something like that.
I'm curious, when you guys use that term clinical excellence, Apollo, what specifically are you talking about? And then maybe we can get down to maybe some of the more actionable or tactical things that might be more easily measurable.
But let's just start from the so-called 30,000-foot view of what you mean when you use this term clinical excellence.

It's kind of, really, it's everyone's job at Apollo, but there's also a specific team with specific team members that do that.

And so we have a senior director of clinical excellence, a couple of directors of clinical excellence, and we have training coordinators.

And a lot of what they're doing is making sure that we have phenomenal training, we have phenomenal quality assurance, and we measure what we're doing over time.

And they are, in many ways, kind of the gatekeepers of who we admit into our organization as well.

We have a lot of people that are trying to get people excited to work at Apollo, but we apply a pretty strong filter to make sure for the BCBAs in particular that we're admitting from outside of our organization that they measure up to our standards.

He asked me point blank, how do you know you're doing a good job? And I think, you know, that was in 2019, I guess, maybe early 2020.
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