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Filing a permit application triggers a back-and-forth process whose outcome is, by definition, a moving target until a decision on the permit is issued.

Treating an application as final would just lead to a multiplicity of suits throughout a permitting process, which I think defeats the whole point of the finality requirement.

Now, respondent says that the application reflects some internal Air Force decision to continue these activities for the next three years if Guam issues a permit.

Respondent also points out that the application enabled the old permit's expiration date to be told or extended.

But that is at most an incidental or indirect effect of the application, really, of Guam EPA's failure to rule on the application.

The direct and appreciable legal consequences of that extension flow from the terms of the old permit, which respondent has not challenged.

RCRA is a comprehensive statute specifically targeting hazardous waste and specifically specifying which environmental review must occur at each step of a reticulated permit process.

Respondent's attempt to take all of NEPA and just shove it into the application stage is not only duplicative of RCRA's requirements, which are the functional equivalent, but inconsistent with RCRA's specification of when each of those requirements should occur through the permitting process.

Uh, all of that said, I don't think you need to actually address the interaction of NEPA and RCRA in this case because NEPA, by its terms, does not apply to non-final agency actions.

And so if you agree with us, as I think you should, that the application is not final agency action, that would not only resolve the threshold issue in the case, it would also have the effect of resolving respondent's claim on the merits here.
Uh, is there any point in this process at which, uh, the Air Force has made a final, uh, engaged in, uh, a final action?

Now, that's not an agency under the APA, but there is a s- a separate judicial review scheme to challenge Guam EPA's issuance of a permit.

And respondent, if it meets the criteria for bringing such a claim, is welcome to bring such a claim if and when Guam EPA issues a final decision on the permit.
So you're saying that there's no point at which, uh, the Air Force's decision can be challenged?

Filing a permit application triggers a back-and-forth process whose outcome is, by definition, a moving target until a decision on the permit is issued.

Treating an application as final would just lead to a multiplicity of suits throughout a permitting process, which I think defeats the whole point of the finality requirement.

Now, respondent says that the application reflects some internal Air Force decision to continue these activities for the next three years if Guam issues a permit.

Respondent also points out that the application enabled the old permit's expiration date to be told or extended.

But that is at most an incidental or indirect effect of the application, really, of Guam EPA's failure to rule on the application.

The direct and appreciable legal consequences of that extension flow from the terms of the old permit, which respondent has not challenged.

RCRA is a comprehensive statute specifically targeting hazardous waste and specifically specifying which environmental review must occur at each step of a reticulated permit process.

Respondent's attempt to take all of NEPA and just shove it into the application stage is not only duplicative of RCRA's requirements, which are the functional equivalent, but inconsistent with RCRA's specification of when each of those requirements should occur through the permitting process.

Uh, all of that said, I don't think you need to actually address the interaction of NEPA and RCRA in this case because NEPA, by its terms, does not apply to non-final agency actions.

And so if you agree with us, as I think you should, that the application is not final agency action, that would not only resolve the threshold issue in the case, it would also have the effect of resolving respondent's claim on the merits here.
Uh, is there any point in this process at which, uh, the Air Force has made a final, uh, engaged in, uh, a final action?

Now, that's not an agency under the APA, but there is a s- a separate judicial review scheme to challenge Guam EPA's issuance of a permit.

And respondent, if it meets the criteria for bringing such a claim, is welcome to bring such a claim if and when Guam EPA issues a final decision on the permit.
So you're saying that there's no point at which, uh, the Air Force's decision can be challenged?
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