Oct 15, 2026 · 1 hr 15 min · 21 segments
First, Joshua Cutchin gives his impressions of the mystery lights seen at Lily Dale. Next, Josh and Timothy discuss wax molds cast from the hands of spirits. Timothy shares some time anomalies…
Tim RennerHost
And I [laughs] kinda, kinda feel like I, I, I said my piece just a moment ago-
I just think that we're being asked to, to question so many, like, fundamental assumptions that we've had over the years.
And, uh, I mean, it's just, it's, it's gotten to the point, Tim, and I realize that this is a point of friction between me and a lot of people in this community.
I'm just, I'm not interested anymore in, like, in providing the best evidence for something, and I'm not interested anymore in answering the binary question of, you know, is it real or not.
We need people gathering the evidence to sort of make a case for the existence of any of this stuff.
But I am going to say that I think that we can also make headway if we say, "Okay, well, let's assume that it is," because by all reasonable metrics, it does seem like it is.
You know, that's what Jung said about flying saucers back in '58 [laughs] or whatever.

And I [laughs] kinda, kinda feel like I, I, I said my piece just a moment ago-
I just think that we're being asked to, to question so many, like, fundamental assumptions that we've had over the years.
And, uh, I mean, it's just, it's, it's gotten to the point, Tim, and I realize that this is a point of friction between me and a lot of people in this community.
I'm just, I'm not interested anymore in, like, in providing the best evidence for something, and I'm not interested anymore in answering the binary question of, you know, is it real or not.
We need people gathering the evidence to sort of make a case for the existence of any of this stuff.
But I am going to say that I think that we can also make headway if we say, "Okay, well, let's assume that it is," because by all reasonable metrics, it does seem like it is.
You know, that's what Jung said about flying saucers back in '58 [laughs] or whatever.
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