Jun 20, 2026 · 51 min · 11 segments
New York Times Intelligence Reporter Julian Barnes on the Rise of Bill Pulte. More from Julian Follow Michael Isikoff | https://x.com/isikoff Follow Karen Greenberg on…
Julian BarnesGuest
Karen GreenbergHostAt least statutorily, the, the, uh, the leadership of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is in play.
Today, Bill Pulte, the housing guy who has made a career in the second Trump administration of going after Trump's perceived enemies and looking into their mortgage deals, is now the acting head of National Intelligence.

Well, it's just such disrespect for the job itself and for what the intelligence community does.

And in, in a way, it's, it, it, depending on how long it goes on, but it makes you wonder what is thought of, of the job to start with.

I mean, this is a job that was created after 9/11, after the idea that the intelligence, um, the, the United States had was not being shared across agencies.

And so they created the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to help administer and make sure information was shared, et cetera.

So what does it mean to essentially say, we don't need anybody who knows what the job is in the post, no matter how short the time it is?
You ha-- the law says you have to have extensive national security experience, and he has zero.
This is happening, of course, uh, while we're still kind of at war with Iran, despite this memorandum, this vague memorandum of understanding and vague talks down the line.
Trump is threatening to bomb them again if we, if he, if he, he's not happy with them.

It just so misunderstands the idea of the profession of intelligence, which you learn over years and years.

the signals of a threat, what, what doesn't amount to a threat, how you should think about it, who needs to talk to who, what countries are involved.

Yeah, and, and, you know, the job of the-- one of the principal jobs of the DNI if, if the DNI is, is, is effective, is to referee disputes between the intelligence agencies, not just strategically on their budgets and their missions and so on, but on a particular take on, say, what's going on in Iran today.
The NSA may have a different take than the CIA or the Geospatial, uh, Intelligence Agency.
At least statutorily, the, the, uh, the leadership of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is in play.
Today, Bill Pulte, the housing guy who has made a career in the second Trump administration of going after Trump's perceived enemies and looking into their mortgage deals, is now the acting head of National Intelligence.

Well, it's just such disrespect for the job itself and for what the intelligence community does.

And in, in a way, it's, it, it, depending on how long it goes on, but it makes you wonder what is thought of, of the job to start with.

I mean, this is a job that was created after 9/11, after the idea that the intelligence, um, the, the United States had was not being shared across agencies.

And so they created the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to help administer and make sure information was shared, et cetera.

So what does it mean to essentially say, we don't need anybody who knows what the job is in the post, no matter how short the time it is?
You ha-- the law says you have to have extensive national security experience, and he has zero.
This is happening, of course, uh, while we're still kind of at war with Iran, despite this memorandum, this vague memorandum of understanding and vague talks down the line.
Trump is threatening to bomb them again if we, if he, if he, he's not happy with them.

It just so misunderstands the idea of the profession of intelligence, which you learn over years and years.

the signals of a threat, what, what doesn't amount to a threat, how you should think about it, who needs to talk to who, what countries are involved.

Yeah, and, and, you know, the job of the-- one of the principal jobs of the DNI if, if the DNI is, is, is effective, is to referee disputes between the intelligence agencies, not just strategically on their budgets and their missions and so on, but on a particular take on, say, what's going on in Iran today.
The NSA may have a different take than the CIA or the Geospatial, uh, Intelligence Agency.
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