Sep 20, 2026 · 1 hr · 17 segments
What happens when we become obsessed with understanding ourselves? Jemma Sbeg is the creator of The Psychology of Your 20s, one of the world’s biggest psychology podcasts, and author of Person in…
yeah that's such great advice thanks Gemma and why do you think our 20s are such a chaotic time like We've felt it.
I mean, Simon and I, I mean, I'm late thirties.
He's just turned 40.
It's
still chaotic over here, mate.
It's still chaotic.
Oh my God, no, don't say that.
You know, she's laughing because she knows it's chaotic, but I kind of see even now I'm trying to play more like when I was a kid right now.
Like I'm trying not to be too serious about life.
And maybe hopefully that makes someone in their 20s feel better.
Because when you get to my point, you start to seek out some of the silliness of life again, rather than taking everything so seriously, which I guess you're doing in your 20s because you're trying to prove yourself.
No, I think that's a great point because I feel like the 20s, everybody's like, go and have fun, go and have fun.
And make money.
Because you're like, yeah, you're kind of like, oh my God, should I be making money? You're like, oh my God, everybody says it's the best time in your life to do it.
But also I'm, as we were talking about your cousin, like deeply stressed about if everything's going to work out okay.
I think it's really reassuring to hear that you're like, you're in your 40s or just entered 40 and like, that pure joy, life isn't that serious, fun feeling comes back.
Because I think in your 20s, everybody's telling you like, you're never going to be this young again.
Gemma, I have to give a disclaimer for everybody watching this as well.
I don't have children.
So when I'm all like, I'm having fun and playing around and stuff like that, there's probably parents watching this going, oh asshole, like I've got to make the kids lunches and I've got to do all this stuff.
yeah that's such great advice thanks Gemma and why do you think our 20s are such a chaotic time like We've felt it.
I mean, Simon and I, I mean, I'm late thirties.
He's just turned 40.
It's
still chaotic over here, mate.
It's still chaotic.
Oh my God, no, don't say that.
You know, she's laughing because she knows it's chaotic, but I kind of see even now I'm trying to play more like when I was a kid right now.
Like I'm trying not to be too serious about life.
And maybe hopefully that makes someone in their 20s feel better.
Because when you get to my point, you start to seek out some of the silliness of life again, rather than taking everything so seriously, which I guess you're doing in your 20s because you're trying to prove yourself.
No, I think that's a great point because I feel like the 20s, everybody's like, go and have fun, go and have fun.
And make money.
Because you're like, yeah, you're kind of like, oh my God, should I be making money? You're like, oh my God, everybody says it's the best time in your life to do it.
But also I'm, as we were talking about your cousin, like deeply stressed about if everything's going to work out okay.
I think it's really reassuring to hear that you're like, you're in your 40s or just entered 40 and like, that pure joy, life isn't that serious, fun feeling comes back.
Because I think in your 20s, everybody's telling you like, you're never going to be this young again.
Gemma, I have to give a disclaimer for everybody watching this as well.
I don't have children.
So when I'm all like, I'm having fun and playing around and stuff like that, there's probably parents watching this going, oh asshole, like I've got to make the kids lunches and I've got to do all this stuff.
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