Sep 20, 2026 · 1 hr 18 min · 14 segments
This episode explores the profound call to serve the least of these, emphasizing humility, grace, and the true meaning of leadership in faith. Jay reflects on biblical teachings from Matthew, Mark…
Jay BakkerHost
And one of the wild things is you always, I'll always often hear Christians justify cruelty to other people, especially if they've broken the law.
You know, and they justify this horrific cruelty or even how they talk about prisoners or how they talk about you know, immigrants and things like this.
You know, and I, and I felt like Jesus is telling the stories like in the prisoners and like, you know, it's like when, how you treat these people, how you treat the least of these is how you treat me.
So when I hear like, christians supporting the death penalty or just people in general supporting the death penalty especially people who can claim to be pro-life supporting the death penalty it just makes no sense to me or you know you hear stuff like or they're here illegally so there's you know and it's just constantly looking for this kind of asterisk and supports it well it's the government and the church have separate things it's like oh okay so your faith doesn't have you know you can just make your faith absence uh when you're talking about politics and cruelty is okay if it's done under the law uh you know it just it's so misguided i i remember growing up um i think i'm gonna write something about this but When I first really discovered grace and I started talking about it all the time and doing talks on it and people would always be like, yeah, but what about justice and what about judgment? Don't you think grace is like a slippery slope and aren't you afraid that it's a license to sin? And Paul Tillich, I would learn much years later that Paul Tillich always thought of sin as a type of separation.
And what I think is very interesting about that is that now I see how people in the church, in American Christianity, justify so much cruelty, so much separation, so much discounting the other based on the wrong belief system, the wrong conviction, the wrong politics, that really it's not grace is the license to sin.
Christianity has become the justification for horrificness, for being cruel, for being judgmental, for subscribing to kind of a false love, this idea of like, well, no, I'm really loving these people.
I mean, if you went through Corinthians 13, read that and then you saw how people treat others in the name of christianity it's just not the same i'd say christianity seems to look more like what the works of the flesh that paul talks about in the book of galatians than it does the fruits of the spirit that he talks about in galatians you know i'd say we've really lost we've lost the plot completely and so i really believe that christianity has you know become such an identity that it seems like people built their whole identity around it that they're afraid uh they end up defending it more than they end up living christ following christ when you know i talked to somebody uh today online and you know they were just like well if if you know we're talking about biblical scholarship and this person said they had a master's degree in theology and i was like And they're like, well, if these parts are wrong or forgeries, because I believe there are forgeries in the Bible, then you just pick and choose what you want, and then the whole thing's wrong, and you just throw it out.
It's this idea of not being able to tell – to discriminate, to be able to tell the difference between right and wrong.
Concept just really blows my mind, this kind of constant idea of black and white thinking.
And one of the wild things is you always, I'll always often hear Christians justify cruelty to other people, especially if they've broken the law.
You know, and they justify this horrific cruelty or even how they talk about prisoners or how they talk about you know, immigrants and things like this.
You know, and I, and I felt like Jesus is telling the stories like in the prisoners and like, you know, it's like when, how you treat these people, how you treat the least of these is how you treat me.
So when I hear like, christians supporting the death penalty or just people in general supporting the death penalty especially people who can claim to be pro-life supporting the death penalty it just makes no sense to me or you know you hear stuff like or they're here illegally so there's you know and it's just constantly looking for this kind of asterisk and supports it well it's the government and the church have separate things it's like oh okay so your faith doesn't have you know you can just make your faith absence uh when you're talking about politics and cruelty is okay if it's done under the law uh you know it just it's so misguided i i remember growing up um i think i'm gonna write something about this but When I first really discovered grace and I started talking about it all the time and doing talks on it and people would always be like, yeah, but what about justice and what about judgment? Don't you think grace is like a slippery slope and aren't you afraid that it's a license to sin? And Paul Tillich, I would learn much years later that Paul Tillich always thought of sin as a type of separation.
And what I think is very interesting about that is that now I see how people in the church, in American Christianity, justify so much cruelty, so much separation, so much discounting the other based on the wrong belief system, the wrong conviction, the wrong politics, that really it's not grace is the license to sin.
Christianity has become the justification for horrificness, for being cruel, for being judgmental, for subscribing to kind of a false love, this idea of like, well, no, I'm really loving these people.
I mean, if you went through Corinthians 13, read that and then you saw how people treat others in the name of christianity it's just not the same i'd say christianity seems to look more like what the works of the flesh that paul talks about in the book of galatians than it does the fruits of the spirit that he talks about in galatians you know i'd say we've really lost we've lost the plot completely and so i really believe that christianity has you know become such an identity that it seems like people built their whole identity around it that they're afraid uh they end up defending it more than they end up living christ following christ when you know i talked to somebody uh today online and you know they were just like well if if you know we're talking about biblical scholarship and this person said they had a master's degree in theology and i was like And they're like, well, if these parts are wrong or forgeries, because I believe there are forgeries in the Bible, then you just pick and choose what you want, and then the whole thing's wrong, and you just throw it out.
It's this idea of not being able to tell – to discriminate, to be able to tell the difference between right and wrong.
Concept just really blows my mind, this kind of constant idea of black and white thinking.
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