Jul 7, 2026 · 52 min · 14 segments
In Episode 28 of Redesigning The Dharma by Sahaja Soma, Adrian Baker interviews Buddhist meditation teacher Scott Tusa about spiritual materialism and Tsoknyi Rinpoche’s Fully Being teachings. Tusa…
I would just start out the conversation by making it very wide, which is I believe it's something that affects all of us.
And it's not like something you can avoid just by deciding I'm not going to be a spiritual materialist.
It's just as long as we have some form of ego clinging or we cling to self in some sort of way or emotions, ideas, thoughts, beliefs, which all of us do, myself included.
long as that's happening i think when we approach a spiritual path whether it's buddhism or another path we can just sort of assume some spiritual materialism will probably creep in there right so i like to start with that premise because then it comes more from an angle of not rooting out this kind of evil thing but trying to recognize where our path can get diverted through spiritual materialism i think that's well said i
And I try to work really honestly with my chosen path as a way not to bolster and build and reify myself and ego clinging and beliefs, but instead to open up the core of dukkha or the core of what makes me suffer and causes dissatisfaction.
And I think for me, at least on the Buddhist path, that's what helps to really break apart spiritual materialism.
You know, it's a way of using a spiritual practice or any kind of religious practice to bolster one's ego clinging, which from a Buddhist perspective, you know, there's a little bit of backstory here.
So it's not saying like you're a bad person for ego clinging or I'm like I'm a horrible practitioner for ego clinging.
I would just start out the conversation by making it very wide, which is I believe it's something that affects all of us.
And it's not like something you can avoid just by deciding I'm not going to be a spiritual materialist.
It's just as long as we have some form of ego clinging or we cling to self in some sort of way or emotions, ideas, thoughts, beliefs, which all of us do, myself included.
long as that's happening i think when we approach a spiritual path whether it's buddhism or another path we can just sort of assume some spiritual materialism will probably creep in there right so i like to start with that premise because then it comes more from an angle of not rooting out this kind of evil thing but trying to recognize where our path can get diverted through spiritual materialism i think that's well said i
And I try to work really honestly with my chosen path as a way not to bolster and build and reify myself and ego clinging and beliefs, but instead to open up the core of dukkha or the core of what makes me suffer and causes dissatisfaction.
And I think for me, at least on the Buddhist path, that's what helps to really break apart spiritual materialism.
You know, it's a way of using a spiritual practice or any kind of religious practice to bolster one's ego clinging, which from a Buddhist perspective, you know, there's a little bit of backstory here.
So it's not saying like you're a bad person for ego clinging or I'm like I'm a horrible practitioner for ego clinging.
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