Aug 28, 2026 · 49 min · 14 segments
Pastor Geoffrey Graff of Overflow Church in Fayetteville, Arkansas, joins Rebecca and Jonathan to unpack his new book, ‘Don’t Waste the Wait’, with 4 practical steps for navigating seasons of waiting…
Geoffrey GraffGuest
Jonathan WeissHost
I knew I was supposed to like go teach the Word, right? But I didn't like find the church, so I was almost 31.

And especially when you pastor, like you realize so many people feel like that.

So watch for the opportunities you have, even if they're not the ones you want.

Watch for greatness was a hard one for me, because sometimes you know what God's put on the inside of you.

But what you see in your prayer closet is not necessarily a bunch of sixth graders that you are going to preach to every single week who really just want to go eat pizza and play dodgeball.

In those moments, it was important for me to realize like, no, this is where God is growing you right now.

And the greatest thing you could do is not go preach at a conference or not go do this, that, or the other.

He who is faithful with little we'll be trusted with much, right? That's good.

That and what's happening to you is while you're living out that act of service, God's depositing and building and laying this foundation.

And just by you walking into that purpose and in that identity, He's laying that, building that framework that you don't even know what the fruit's gonna be in years to come.

I said, isn't it crazy? how similar what we're doing now with this church plant is to what we were doing all those years in youth ministry.


And if your eyes are open, He will teach you lessons in that way that you step into the next season that you wanted to be in and you realize, whoa, I needed that.

I knew I was supposed to like go teach the Word, right? But I didn't like find the church, so I was almost 31.

And especially when you pastor, like you realize so many people feel like that.

So watch for the opportunities you have, even if they're not the ones you want.

Watch for greatness was a hard one for me, because sometimes you know what God's put on the inside of you.

But what you see in your prayer closet is not necessarily a bunch of sixth graders that you are going to preach to every single week who really just want to go eat pizza and play dodgeball.

In those moments, it was important for me to realize like, no, this is where God is growing you right now.

And the greatest thing you could do is not go preach at a conference or not go do this, that, or the other.

He who is faithful with little we'll be trusted with much, right? That's good.

That and what's happening to you is while you're living out that act of service, God's depositing and building and laying this foundation.

And just by you walking into that purpose and in that identity, He's laying that, building that framework that you don't even know what the fruit's gonna be in years to come.

I said, isn't it crazy? how similar what we're doing now with this church plant is to what we were doing all those years in youth ministry.


And if your eyes are open, He will teach you lessons in that way that you step into the next season that you wanted to be in and you realize, whoa, I needed that.
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