Reality Proves Possibility- Humanity can do Better than this
Jun 18, 2026 · 58 min · 9 segments
What if the way our organizations are designed is the root cause of our biggest social and environmental crises? Shann Turnbull challenges conventional governance ideas, revealing how shifting from…
Shann TurnbullGuest
Michael PirsonHost
no no no i think you got a whole story there laid out which i think is also going to be part of your sort of book upcoming right surviving our future so i want you to speak to all of that and i believe from what i got The Reality Proves Possibility storyline goes through all of your insights about corporate governance and structuring.

And I want to push back a little bit, though, on this sort of glorification I want to point to of the local governance.

Because I'm sure there is good use for centralized governance at some point and top-down.

But there needs to be global and local and whatever meso... micro and macro solutions, like Lynn Ostrom and others have said, like our mutual friend David Sloan Wilson talks about multi-level.

They don't see that every living thing on this planet is self-regulating and self-governing.

and a defining feature of a holarchy is its paradoxical quantum-like characteristics of doing both at the same time top-down and bottom-up and this is a fellow called donald ingber biologist harvard biologist he said that this paradoxical relationship called what bucky fuller called tensegrity you combining opposite behavior patterns together in physical world tensegrity is when you combine struts and compression like your bones and muscles intention like your muscle And so you've got compression and tension working together, and it has memory of where it wants to be.

So the word tensegator is called by Bucky Fuller, and Donald Ingber called it the architecture of life.

It's the architecture of both the physical structures, because geodetic domes and so on is the way to cover the greatest space with the least material, and psychological structures of behavior, and the DNA of every living thing, like you and I, We are hardwired to have contrary behavior.

no no no i think you got a whole story there laid out which i think is also going to be part of your sort of book upcoming right surviving our future so i want you to speak to all of that and i believe from what i got The Reality Proves Possibility storyline goes through all of your insights about corporate governance and structuring.

And I want to push back a little bit, though, on this sort of glorification I want to point to of the local governance.

Because I'm sure there is good use for centralized governance at some point and top-down.

But there needs to be global and local and whatever meso... micro and macro solutions, like Lynn Ostrom and others have said, like our mutual friend David Sloan Wilson talks about multi-level.

They don't see that every living thing on this planet is self-regulating and self-governing.

and a defining feature of a holarchy is its paradoxical quantum-like characteristics of doing both at the same time top-down and bottom-up and this is a fellow called donald ingber biologist harvard biologist he said that this paradoxical relationship called what bucky fuller called tensegrity you combining opposite behavior patterns together in physical world tensegrity is when you combine struts and compression like your bones and muscles intention like your muscle And so you've got compression and tension working together, and it has memory of where it wants to be.

So the word tensegator is called by Bucky Fuller, and Donald Ingber called it the architecture of life.

It's the architecture of both the physical structures, because geodetic domes and so on is the way to cover the greatest space with the least material, and psychological structures of behavior, and the DNA of every living thing, like you and I, We are hardwired to have contrary behavior.
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