John B. Fullerton

Ideology is a set of mental constructs that reprogram the brain, and then you see it everywhere in the world around you.

John Fullerton was quoting, and as he said, perhaps misquoting, he wasn't quite sure that Einstein said this, but he was quoting Einstein to say that we can't see something until we have a theory of it.

And, uh, as, as, as, as John extended that, it's like we say seeing is believing, but believing is seeing.

Yeah.

We'll never be able to penetrate the clock to see how, but we need to form theories, and we'll keep changing our theories until we come up with a theory that matches the movement of the hands." Imagine having to invent a theory that would explain an impenetrable clock.

And in that fell swoop, s- Einstein sort of locked us out of reality.

So John Fullerton, whom I just, we just released his interview, he talks about, um, uh, seeing the universe as a clock from a Newtonian perspective.

And, uh, he said, "Newton, Newton really taught us how to think."

I wasn't really gonna go there, but here we are, so I'm gonna go there.

So let's talk about regenerative for a minute, and I understand w- in the context you were talking about regenerative, you meant the word regenerative, to regenerate, and, um, it's the way Paul Hawken would talk about it, and the way, uh, John Fullerton would talk about regenerative economics.

He's talking about economics in which there is regeneration, and it, it, it, it's self-organizing, and it's growing, and it's, it's moving towards life and away from death.

But, um, there is a political battle going on, and I'm not talking about all the wonderful small farmers who call themselves regenerative, many of whom I respect and, and love, and I know that they're doing a great job.

Mm-hmm

... and a guy named John Fullerton-

Yeah

... has said that he believes the economy is actually a living system.

Yeah.

I know you also, we had John Fullerton on as a guest, one of the last shows in the first episode.

And I know you're also inspired by him and have read him.

And I would love to hear you comment a little bit on his thoughts.