Jun 17, 2026 · 55 min · 9 segments
Unfortunately no Dr. Fu today, but Dr. Malzberg speaks with the wonderful psychiatrist Dr. Mary Ellen Eller, who walks through what modern electroconvulsive therapy actually looks like and when…
Mary Ellen EllerGuest
Greg MalzbergHost
So other things you should know about me is I have a very goal-directed mindset.

I have had to embrace the process of trying to shift into the mindset of being effective and not necessarily efficient.

And we had some lovely times as he was an attending physician and I was a lowly resident working underneath him where he would come to round in the hospital on a Saturday or a Sunday morning.

And Pewter would sit there and want to talk to me about the theory behind just about anything.

Once my list is done, I will talk about anything and I will be happy to do it.

That is an experience every single resident has had of being like, yeah, yeah, that's great that Kernberg said that, but there's 20 patients to see.

I've had a lot of really wonderful mentors and Dr. Peter was one of them in his ability to find a way to balance meaning and purpose and to build a practice for himself that really incorporates the things that he finds to be most meaningful in his practice and is incredibly valuable to the clients that he treats.

And I think that's part of part of the wonder in psychiatry is that it is not one size fits all.

And the world needs some of us who are broad minded, who want to think about theory, think through how problems develop.

So other things you should know about me is I have a very goal-directed mindset.

I have had to embrace the process of trying to shift into the mindset of being effective and not necessarily efficient.

And we had some lovely times as he was an attending physician and I was a lowly resident working underneath him where he would come to round in the hospital on a Saturday or a Sunday morning.

And Pewter would sit there and want to talk to me about the theory behind just about anything.

Once my list is done, I will talk about anything and I will be happy to do it.

That is an experience every single resident has had of being like, yeah, yeah, that's great that Kernberg said that, but there's 20 patients to see.

I've had a lot of really wonderful mentors and Dr. Peter was one of them in his ability to find a way to balance meaning and purpose and to build a practice for himself that really incorporates the things that he finds to be most meaningful in his practice and is incredibly valuable to the clients that he treats.

And I think that's part of part of the wonder in psychiatry is that it is not one size fits all.

And the world needs some of us who are broad minded, who want to think about theory, think through how problems develop.
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