Steve MosesPanelist
Matt LandfairHost
Uh, first of all, uh, I don't know if you've seen it, but recently there was a report put forth by the Center of Disease Control, um-

Uh, you'll notice that they said that they believe there were somewhere between 60,000 and two and a half million, uh, you know, instances where firearms were involved in a defensive use of force.

But the thing that was really interesting to me is that the data showed that on an annual basis in about 82% of the cases, no shot was fired.

However, after working with, uh, Sean and Don and seeing Don have to get off the podcast on numerous occasions-

... because we had a member that had been charged with brandishing or aggravated assault because they used a firearm under a situation that the responding officers or the district attorney or the grand jury said that that was not warranted, uh, that kind of caught my eye.

And so just because you used a gun, uh, without firing a shot does not necessarily mean that you had a happy outcome.

And so one of the things that we thought we might do is we started talking about, you know, defensive display basically done right and how to do that, and a big part of it is going to be the legal part of it or the legal definition of when it's actually warranted to use lethal force.

And, uh, Don, Sean, uh, definitely, you know, jump in here if I speak incorrectly, but you know what? It...

You pretty much have to have, uh, opportunity, intent, and ability to cause immediate injury, serious injury or death or commit certain, uh, forcible felonies before you could use it.

Well, some of these circumstances in which our members were involved, the circumstances were somewhat ambiguous, and they basically drew a handgun because they were scared.

And unfortunately, uh, the responding law enforcement, uh, didn't believe 'em.

Uh, first of all, uh, I don't know if you've seen it, but recently there was a report put forth by the Center of Disease Control, um-

Uh, you'll notice that they said that they believe there were somewhere between 60,000 and two and a half million, uh, you know, instances where firearms were involved in a defensive use of force.

But the thing that was really interesting to me is that the data showed that on an annual basis in about 82% of the cases, no shot was fired.

However, after working with, uh, Sean and Don and seeing Don have to get off the podcast on numerous occasions-

... because we had a member that had been charged with brandishing or aggravated assault because they used a firearm under a situation that the responding officers or the district attorney or the grand jury said that that was not warranted, uh, that kind of caught my eye.

And so just because you used a gun, uh, without firing a shot does not necessarily mean that you had a happy outcome.

And so one of the things that we thought we might do is we started talking about, you know, defensive display basically done right and how to do that, and a big part of it is going to be the legal part of it or the legal definition of when it's actually warranted to use lethal force.

And, uh, Don, Sean, uh, definitely, you know, jump in here if I speak incorrectly, but you know what? It...

You pretty much have to have, uh, opportunity, intent, and ability to cause immediate injury, serious injury or death or commit certain, uh, forcible felonies before you could use it.

Well, some of these circumstances in which our members were involved, the circumstances were somewhat ambiguous, and they basically drew a handgun because they were scared.

And unfortunately, uh, the responding law enforcement, uh, didn't believe 'em.
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