Anti-Babylon Ethos

Identity is never just academic—it's lived, felt, and fought over. Imer traces questions of race, belonging, and deconstruction through conversations across generations, including a candid dialogue with a former student, Shaina LaRoche. With voices like Harvey Kwiyani, Brian Stanley, and Neil Shenvi in the background, the episode probes a tension that won't go away: how do we name the past honestly without losing the gospel itself? **People featured in this episode** Imer Santiago — Host. Puerto Rican–American trumpeter, jazz musician, and worship leader based in St. Cloud, Florida. Ted Esler — President/CEO of Missio Nexus (since 2015). Former church planter in Sarajevo, Bosnia; previously held leadership roles with Pioneers. Author of *The Innovation Crisis*; holds a PhD in Intercultural Studies from Fuller Theological Seminary. Harvey Kwiyani — Malawian theologian and missiologist known for work on decolonizing mission and global/diaspora Christianity. Author of *Decolonizing Mission*. Neil Shenvi — Writer and speaker known for apologetics and engagement with questions of faith, philosophy, and culture. Holds a PhD in theoretical chemistry (UC Berkeley) and studied at Princeton. Shaina LaRoche — Former student of Imer's, featured in a candid conversation about identity, faith, and deconstruction. Brian Stanley — Historian of world Christianity and Christian missions. Professor at the University of Edinburgh; has written and edited multiple books on missions history. Sarah Breuel — Christian leader originally from Brazil and based in Rome. Founder/director of Revive Europe; has served with IFES and the Lausanne Movement. **Music** - Tubby Isiah / Arnos Vale / courtesy of Epidemic Sound - Out To The World / Theories / courtesy of Epidemic Sound - Shuta Yasukochi / Komorebi / courtesy of Epidemic Sound - Cuba Quartet / Caminando / courtesy of Epidemic Sound - Additional music by Imer Santiago **Credits** Host: Imer Santiago Produced by: Arrival Creative Presented by: Missio Nexus