Jun 17, 2026 · 35 min · 12 segments
Does your church have a crisis communication plan? In this interview, Phil Cooke https://philcooke.com talks with David Middlebrook, one of the country's leading practitioners…
David MiddlebrookGuestYou've, you and I have been friends for a long time as well, so absolutely welcome.
Uh, how did you get into this whole thing? How did you get into the kind of the niche, or niche as our British friends say, of helping churches, ministries, nonprofits? How did all that happen?

You know, I, uh, was, I, I literally was raised in church, teething on a church pew.

I, I, one of my fir- first memories as a human being was my two grandmothers, uh, giving me little butterscotch Life Savers to keep me from crying.

My other grandfather was sitting in the king chair behind him, and my mom was playing the organ, and I thought, "I love this place." And, uh-

... and on my way to seminary my dad says, "Well, you know, you're, why are you in a hurry? Why don't you go to law school?" And, uh, so I came down to SMU, went to law school, and, um, as, as, as providence would have it, uh, the law firm I went to work for was representing a big televangelist in the midst of a crisis, who was a personal family hero of ours.
You've, you and I have been friends for a long time as well, so absolutely welcome.
Uh, how did you get into this whole thing? How did you get into the kind of the niche, or niche as our British friends say, of helping churches, ministries, nonprofits? How did all that happen?

You know, I, uh, was, I, I literally was raised in church, teething on a church pew.

I, I, one of my fir- first memories as a human being was my two grandmothers, uh, giving me little butterscotch Life Savers to keep me from crying.

My other grandfather was sitting in the king chair behind him, and my mom was playing the organ, and I thought, "I love this place." And, uh-

... and on my way to seminary my dad says, "Well, you know, you're, why are you in a hurry? Why don't you go to law school?" And, uh, so I came down to SMU, went to law school, and, um, as, as, as providence would have it, uh, the law firm I went to work for was representing a big televangelist in the midst of a crisis, who was a personal family hero of ours.
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