Off The Hook - Wed, 05 Aug 2026 19:00:00 EST
Aug 5, 2026 · 54 min · 17 segments
Emmanuel has had a day, the weather, rogue AIs, listener phone calls.
Aug 5, 2026 · 54 min · 17 segments
Emmanuel has had a day, the weather, rogue AIs, listener phone calls.
Emmanuel GoldsteinHostKylePanelist
Rob T. FireflyPanelistAlexPanelistGilaPanelistUm, I, I would say, though, you know, and, and speaking of, you know, which way the wind blows in various things, I, I think one of the stories that, you know, remains, I, I, I think underexplored in many ways is the one about the, the Hugging Face hacking of, uh... through OpenAI, right? Which was, you know, essentially the agent that went rogue, got past its guardrails, and then hacked Hugging Face itself.
I mean, that, that to me was kind of crazy, um, and also, like, very portentous in terms of, you know, what we can be expecting for the world to come.
I don't know about you guys, but for me it was kind of a, a bit of a chilling story to see an AI go rogue.
But yet, was it really going rogue if it was following the instructions and the orders of its masters, which was to go and compromise, um, a, a third-party site?
I mean, I, I really cringe at the use of terms like going rogue when it comes to large language models and generative AI and things of that sort because it implies that they're doing something
And the, you know, despite, uh, what many would really like to believe these days, they don't make choices, these things.
And they're, they're just, uh, they're just doing what they're coded to do, and if they are coded poorly, um, then they, then they do things outside the bounds of what they were supposed to do.
If I may step in here for a second, don't birds just do what they're programmed to do?
I mean, you wouldn't expect one to start reciting Shakespeare, right? Uh, if it did, you'd say it's going rogue.
It's, it, it's interesting times and interesting debates that we can have about these things, but at what point do you determine, uh, consciousness and, and, and actual o- self-awareness? Uh-
Well, you know, we have seen bird- we had seen birds get angry in the wild.
Um, I, I would say, though, you know, and, and speaking of, you know, which way the wind blows in various things, I, I think one of the stories that, you know, remains, I, I, I think underexplored in many ways is the one about the, the Hugging Face hacking of, uh... through OpenAI, right? Which was, you know, essentially the agent that went rogue, got past its guardrails, and then hacked Hugging Face itself.
I mean, that, that to me was kind of crazy, um, and also, like, very portentous in terms of, you know, what we can be expecting for the world to come.
I don't know about you guys, but for me it was kind of a, a bit of a chilling story to see an AI go rogue.
But yet, was it really going rogue if it was following the instructions and the orders of its masters, which was to go and compromise, um, a, a third-party site?
I mean, I, I really cringe at the use of terms like going rogue when it comes to large language models and generative AI and things of that sort because it implies that they're doing something
And the, you know, despite, uh, what many would really like to believe these days, they don't make choices, these things.
And they're, they're just, uh, they're just doing what they're coded to do, and if they are coded poorly, um, then they, then they do things outside the bounds of what they were supposed to do.
If I may step in here for a second, don't birds just do what they're programmed to do?
I mean, you wouldn't expect one to start reciting Shakespeare, right? Uh, if it did, you'd say it's going rogue.
It's, it, it's interesting times and interesting debates that we can have about these things, but at what point do you determine, uh, consciousness and, and, and actual o- self-awareness? Uh-
Well, you know, we have seen bird- we had seen birds get angry in the wild.
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