Season 11 Preview: Epstein Revelations with Journalist Jamie Crawford-Exclusive Interview

Okay, so some of the retractors or people, they would say, if it was such a vast conspiracy, how come it never got out? If it implicated both Democrats and Republicans, why the Democrats arrested Epstein and the Republicans released some of the evidence? And then if it was the Mossad, why is there still living victims if they're known for, you know, hiding stuff or same with the CIA.

What would you say to people that feel that it is almost like a Steve Bannon style of overwhelming the media and all of us floating the zone to the point where we don't even know what's true anymore.

What would you say to people that go the other way? Instead of saying there's a vast conspiracy and they're all demon possessed, sacrificed children and stuff like that, to this kind of like, who would be that stupid to be sending emails from their personal account about human trafficking and sex with minors? How would you respond to all of that?

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

I mean, I think one of the revelations from the Epstein files is the ineptitude of some of these people.

Because, yeah, I think a lot of things can be true at once.

I think these people can be very powerful, but they're not all powerful.

And, you know, they can be cunning, but they're still humans and humans make mistakes.

And, you know, and I think it is possible to... to capture powerful people through honeypotting.

And if you have someone in a sexually compromising situation, you can have power over that person.

And so you can have influence and sway.

in those kind of ways, but it's not an infallible system.

And so I think obviously Epstein's operation was on some level effective and successful because he got away with it for decades.

But now it is coming out.

So, you know, things did leak.

So, yeah, you know, you have on one extreme, say, you know, people... uh kind of the way you put it you know there's on one extreme there's people who think it's like just the the ultimate conspiracy and they're all you know demons eating children all powerful lizard people and then sure there's people on the other extreme who are just completely dismissing the entire thing as a it's all yes all nonsense nothing to see here but the answer really does lie somewhere in the middle uh There was clearly a lot of corruption going on, a lot of sex trafficking for the pleasure of Epstein and his friends, but also as a way of getting dirt on people.

And it worked for a while, but it eventually caught up with him.

He became a very, very powerful person, but ultimately still not an all-powerful person.

know god like you know he is still a human within a human system and there's always going to be competing factions with different interests and and life is messy the world is messy so um so i don't know if that kind of answers your question a bit i'm kind of the way i

Do you know much about his original mentors? Whitney Webb was talking about Jamal Kachowski and Stephen Hoffenberg that when you start going back to the beginning of and that's where people think he was a plan from the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds or the Mossad or something like that that he became too rich too quick and he had too much influence but then you see that there is allegations of him doing money laundry for Russians for Saudis working with the previous State Department guy Barr and all these very powerful men that they were kind of setting him up to become their middleman and Is that where you see the rise of Epstein or do you think that it is some kind of MKUltra perfect spy who had so much to gain or to give to all the different intelligence agencies from around the world?

Yeah, so I think if you look at Epstein's life and trajectory, there seemed to be...

He seemed to kind of level up over time.

You know, he got a job at the Dalton School.

And he was hired by, what, William Barr's father? Yeah, Bill Barr's father.

Yeah.

Okay, so some of the retractors or people, they would say, if it was such a vast conspiracy, how come it never got out? If it implicated both Democrats and Republicans, why the Democrats arrested Epstein and the Republicans released some of the evidence? And then if it was the Mossad, why is there still living victims if they're known for, you know, hiding stuff or same with the CIA.

What would you say to people that feel that it is almost like a Steve Bannon style of overwhelming the media and all of us floating the zone to the point where we don't even know what's true anymore.

What would you say to people that go the other way? Instead of saying there's a vast conspiracy and they're all demon possessed, sacrificed children and stuff like that, to this kind of like, who would be that stupid to be sending emails from their personal account about human trafficking and sex with minors? How would you respond to all of that?

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

I mean, I think one of the revelations from the Epstein files is the ineptitude of some of these people.

Because, yeah, I think a lot of things can be true at once.

I think these people can be very powerful, but they're not all powerful.

And, you know, they can be cunning, but they're still humans and humans make mistakes.

And, you know, and I think it is possible to... to capture powerful people through honeypotting.

And if you have someone in a sexually compromising situation, you can have power over that person.

And so you can have influence and sway.

in those kind of ways, but it's not an infallible system.

And so I think obviously Epstein's operation was on some level effective and successful because he got away with it for decades.

But now it is coming out.

So, you know, things did leak.

So, yeah, you know, you have on one extreme, say, you know, people... uh kind of the way you put it you know there's on one extreme there's people who think it's like just the the ultimate conspiracy and they're all you know demons eating children all powerful lizard people and then sure there's people on the other extreme who are just completely dismissing the entire thing as a it's all yes all nonsense nothing to see here but the answer really does lie somewhere in the middle uh There was clearly a lot of corruption going on, a lot of sex trafficking for the pleasure of Epstein and his friends, but also as a way of getting dirt on people.

And it worked for a while, but it eventually caught up with him.

He became a very, very powerful person, but ultimately still not an all-powerful person.

know god like you know he is still a human within a human system and there's always going to be competing factions with different interests and and life is messy the world is messy so um so i don't know if that kind of answers your question a bit i'm kind of the way i

Do you know much about his original mentors? Whitney Webb was talking about Jamal Kachowski and Stephen Hoffenberg that when you start going back to the beginning of and that's where people think he was a plan from the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds or the Mossad or something like that that he became too rich too quick and he had too much influence but then you see that there is allegations of him doing money laundry for Russians for Saudis working with the previous State Department guy Barr and all these very powerful men that they were kind of setting him up to become their middleman and Is that where you see the rise of Epstein or do you think that it is some kind of MKUltra perfect spy who had so much to gain or to give to all the different intelligence agencies from around the world?

Yeah, so I think if you look at Epstein's life and trajectory, there seemed to be...

He seemed to kind of level up over time.

You know, he got a job at the Dalton School.

And he was hired by, what, William Barr's father? Yeah, Bill Barr's father.

Yeah.