Michigan UFO Sightings And Paranormal Encounters Podcast
Jun 22, 2026 · 1 hr 14 min · 12 segments
What happens **after UFO disclosure**? In this episode of **Michigan UFO Sightings & Paranormal Encounters**, Wayne and Michelle welcome filmmaker **Ron James** to discuss his powerful new…
Yeah.
Um, it, all the intel guys and everybody, it just, it just did not sit well with me [laughs] so...
Especially after Michelle and I-
... had our experience, and then we went down to Ohio after having Benny on here, like, six different times and, and getting his story down in a, in a long form interviews so he could put everything out there that he wanted to do.
And just talking to him and the stuff that was said to him and promised to him and what happened to his original metal and what Patel did and all of this, it just, it just wasn't-
Yeah
But the re- the real story about Benny's metal isn't whether or not it came from a flying saucer.
But, um, at the end of the day, all of the things that have happened to him trying to get a straight answer about this metal.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, I turned it over to Arrow, directly to Senator Kirsten Gillibrand's office, and they came back and said, "Oh, it's nothing but scrap aluminum." But if it's, if it's nothing, why years and years of treachery and deceit have happened to this guy? And why did Chris Bledsoe and Lou Elizondo and Tom DeLonge show up and take that metal and hand it off to Hal Puthoff and hand it off to Jacques Vallée and hand it off to Gary Nolan? And we can't get a straight answer out of any of those guys either.
Hey, yeah
... you know, the Benny Fagan material, I'm sure your audience is, is used to it, um, if you've been interviewing him.
Yeah.
You're, you're 100% correct, and it seems like people all of a sudden get amnesia when you bring that up to them about, "Well, haven't you seen this?" And I think there's even in the film where you're holding the, the plastic baggie with some of the shavings and, and, and Nolan's like-
Yeah.
Um, it, all the intel guys and everybody, it just, it just did not sit well with me [laughs] so...
Especially after Michelle and I-
... had our experience, and then we went down to Ohio after having Benny on here, like, six different times and, and getting his story down in a, in a long form interviews so he could put everything out there that he wanted to do.
And just talking to him and the stuff that was said to him and promised to him and what happened to his original metal and what Patel did and all of this, it just, it just wasn't-
Yeah
But the re- the real story about Benny's metal isn't whether or not it came from a flying saucer.
But, um, at the end of the day, all of the things that have happened to him trying to get a straight answer about this metal.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, I turned it over to Arrow, directly to Senator Kirsten Gillibrand's office, and they came back and said, "Oh, it's nothing but scrap aluminum." But if it's, if it's nothing, why years and years of treachery and deceit have happened to this guy? And why did Chris Bledsoe and Lou Elizondo and Tom DeLonge show up and take that metal and hand it off to Hal Puthoff and hand it off to Jacques Vallée and hand it off to Gary Nolan? And we can't get a straight answer out of any of those guys either.
Hey, yeah
... you know, the Benny Fagan material, I'm sure your audience is, is used to it, um, if you've been interviewing him.
Yeah.
You're, you're 100% correct, and it seems like people all of a sudden get amnesia when you bring that up to them about, "Well, haven't you seen this?" And I think there's even in the film where you're holding the, the plastic baggie with some of the shavings and, and, and Nolan's like-
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