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Accidental Truth Next.

So let's roll those.

The, the first clip is when I first was briefing Tim Burchett from a UFO investigator standpoint.

This is the only video we know of that has ever been taken of a UFO investigator briefing a sitting member of Congress about the phenomenon.

This thing, back in the Roswell time, whatever happened, they formed a group to, to sequester this and study it.

Oh my God.

When David Grusch first came forward and started, uh, testifying, what was your f- initial reaction?

It's about time, was my initial reaction.

You know, he came out literally within a month and a half of the release of the first Accidental Truth movie, and I believe that there had been for quite some time a kind of a plan to do a limited disclosure, and that, uh, TTSA was going to be involved in it.

They were a big part of what they were planning to do and how they were planning to do it.

But then TTSA kind of imploded, and the whole story about the new narrative that they tried to get us to buy, which is, you know, we, nothing was going on, um, Project Blue Book ended and the government had no more involvement in the UFO topic.

All of that stuff, that it just didn't work because too many people knew better, and we were able to show that we knew better and we, you know, we made films like Accidental Truth that blew away that narrative.

The, the first Accidental Truth movie was all about destroying their position that they did nothing between the time Project Blue Book ended and the time Luis Elizondo got involved, because that's just one big lie.

During the congressional hearings, did you feel that lawmakers are asking the right questions?

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Um, it's, it's, so that's a, that's a sad commentary on the state of affairs.

The, uh...

I believe that, that as a species, we have the right to self-determine.

We, at some point, that our, our level of sentience, if there were outside, um, uh, extraterrestrial and non-human forces that had an interest in this planet and an interest in us, there became a time where it was like, "Hands off.

Let's see if these guys develop." And we can either develop into being worthy of being a space-faring civilization, at which point, uh, there may be contact that says, "Hey, welcome humans".

Well, first of all, what does that even mean to you? Like, what does disclosure even mean at this point? And then what comes next?

Can we talk about this and how legitimate is this? Is this official? Are we going to see more whistleblowers just come flooding forward? What's going on with this?

Well, look, the plight of the whistleblower is not a good one.

In the new Accidental Truth movie, Kirsten Gillibrand, I had a chance to interview her, and I asked her to look right at my camera and promise whistleblowers that they were going to be safe.

And she did.

It's an absolutely unprecedented video clip.

But at the same time, whistleblowers continue to be marginalized and persecuted because no matter how much supposed protection they have, there's just too many ways to get at them.

And there's too many people that want to keep this stuff a secret.

What would it take for you to be convinced that disclosure has happened? What does that look like to you?

But I'm hoping that you could share some light on it for us.

Well, Ro- this, this began when Ross Coulthart, um, actually called out Lou Elizondo during a report and accused him of all kinds of things that involve Lou being involved in, uh, legacy programs and, and all kinds of stuff that, that there's no real proof that, that Lou is involved in that stuff, especially as far back as a lot of it goes.

Now, I have no disillusionment about Lou Elizondo.

I've always said, and I illustrate in my movies, that Lou Elizondo is still working, and that he is going to be an instrument of the narrative by whoever, uh, is running the show and whoever he answers to.

Um, and he probably doesn't even know, uh, who the people at the very bottom layer of the onion are.

But Lou is, is a working guy serving an oath to an organizational structure that he's, has been a part of his life from day one.

So for people to be surprised by that or to criticize Lou over it, um, you know, j- I don't know what to say about that.

Mm.

In case people are totally unaware of this, start from the beginning of when this happened and some of the revelations that you got, uh, that you had the chance to document.

Well, I think what I call the modern era of disclosure started in 2017 when, uh, you know, Pentagon insider Lou Elizondo came out, uh, and told the world that there was a program that had been started by Harry Reid of funding a company in Las Vegas, Robert Bigelow and Bigelow Aerospace, to research UFOs and other, um, anomalous phenomena.

And it was the first time that there'd been any acknowledgement of a government program, albeit a small one.

And at the same time, Christopher Mellon, who was a former, uh, Deputy Secretary of Defense, he, uh, was able to secure the release of those three famous, now famous videos.

And the whole story was broken to the world by Ralph Blumenthal, the, uh, very storied reporter for The New York Times.

So in the first Accidental Truth movie, we go behind the scenes of how that happened.

We interview Lou Elizondo, we interview Christopher Mellon, and we interview Ralph Blumenthal, and, and we're, we're fed the, uh, the nexus of how this began.

Yes

In case people are totally unaware of this, start from the beginning of when this happened and some of the revelations that you got, uh, that you had the chance to document.

Well, I think what I call the modern era of disclosure started in 2017 when, uh, you know, Pentagon insider, Lue Elizondo, came out, uh, and told the world that there was a program that had been started by Harry Reid of funding a company in Las Vegas, Robert Bigelow in Bigelow Aerospace, to research UFOs and other, um, anomalous phenomena.

And it was the first time that there'd been any acknowledgement of a government program, albeit a small one.

And at the same time, Christopher Mellon, who was a former, uh, deputy secretary of defense, he, uh, was able to secure the release of those three famous, now famous videos, and the whole story was broken to the world by Ralph Blumenthal, the bri- uh, very storied reporter for The New York Times.

So in the first Accidental Truth movie, we go behind the scenes of how that happened.

We interview Lue Elizondo, we interview Christopher Mellon, and we interview Ralph Blumenthal, and, and we're, we're fed the, uh, the nexus of how this began.

And so ever since then, uh, you know, various politicians have gotten involved and have called out the rally cry for disclosure.

Yes.

In case people are totally unaware of this, start from the beginning of when this happened and some of the revelations that you got, uh, that you had the chance to document.

Well, I think what I call the modern era of disclosure started in 2017 when, uh, you know, Pentagon insider, Lue Elizondo, came out, uh, and told the world that there was a program that had been started by Harry Reid of funding a company in Las Vegas, Robert Bigelow and Bigelow Aerospace, to research UFOs and other, um, anomalous phenomena.

And it was the first time that there'd been any acknowledgement of a government program, albeit a small one.

And at the same time, Christopher Mellon, who was a former, uh, deputy secretary of defense, he, uh, was able to secure the release of those three famous, now famous, videos, and the whole story was broken to the world by Ralph Blumenthal, the pre- uh, very storied reporter for The New York Times.

So in the first Accidental Truth movie, we go behind the scenes of how that happened.

We interview Lue Elizondo, we interview Christopher Mellon, and we interview Ralph Blumenthal, and, and we're, we're fed the, uh, the nexus of how this began.

And so ever since then, uh, you know, various politicians have gotten involved and have called out the rally cry for disclosure.

Yes

Well,

you know, first off the way the craft seemed to exhibit these cloaking, uh, There's a lot of theories about how these craft are operating.

Some of them have to do with the ability to manipulate space and time itself.

Like imagine just changing a dial on a radio just a little bit so that you no longer hear the radio signal.

that these ships are able to cross the vast distances and defy physical gravity and physical objects by simply shifting the reality that they're functioning in with some kind of phase capability.

And then there's also the idea that they've got advanced cloaking and can cloak in and out.

And then there's all kinds of other things that are theoretical that we can think of that would describe this kind of behavior, except, you know, theoretically, we can't do it yet.

Wow, powerful stuff.

Well, what does he mean from what you know?

Well, you know, this is an interesting story, and it illustrates what has happened to Congress over the years that this has been unfolding.

In the new Accidental Truth movie, Tim says basically that same thing, that he was taken into a room and told things that were terrifying that he wouldn't share.

I mean, he shared some of it with me off camera, so I promised him I wouldn't talk about it.

Okay, I'm sorry.

It has to do with... you know, our place in the food chain and our place in the universe.

And this idea that we're sitting on the top of the heap and the fact of the matter is we're not.

Powerful stuff.

Tell us more about this from your perspective.

Yeah, I mean, certainly skeptics to this topic have a valid argument, and, um, and that's, that's one of them.

But there's a lot of investigators that have been documenting this stuff for a very long time.

And even though we don't have the actual documentation of, "Oh, here's the spaceship," we're at the point where, well, we know where they are, a- and we know w- where they were recovered, and we know who the people involved were.

But from the very time that the US government took lead on maintaining secrecy from society, which they took basically from the churches and the religious institutions-

Sure

... from the very time this thing was, was agreed upon to be covered up, it is truly the most elaborate operation in the history of, of intelligence agencies, in the history of militaries, in the history of, of political processes to, to do this.

And they have gotten very, very good over the years of completely sequestering this information, making it, uh, you know, something subject to public ridicule, and being the first guys to be on the scene when, when one of these things occurred, and wrapping it up and threatening anybody who knew anything about it.

Explain what you mean by that.

that.Well, I think that, again, but it, it- people didn't really like Steven Spielberg's movie as much as I thought they should have.

Um, but in my opinion, he hit all the bullet points of the history of this phenomenon as the insiders understand it, and he hit the societal issues, and he hit specific cases, and then he wrapped a pretty wild sci-fi story around these building blocks.

I thought it was brilliant.

There were moments in that film that literally brought me to tears because it's something we'd all like to see.

But that's catastrophic disclosure.

That's a guy or a, a, a group of people that were able to get in under the hood and get enough evidence that it would be absolutely irrefutable, and then get it to the public before, be- be- before it's too late.

Where do you see us in five years? Are we gonna be having these same conversations? Are we gonna be going around and around chasing our tail?

When David Grusch first came forward and started, uh, testifying, what was your f- initial reaction?

It's about time, was my initial reaction.

You know, he came out literally within a month and a half of the release of the first Accidental Truth movie.

And I believe that there had been, for quite some time, a kind of a plan to do a limited disclosure, and that, uh, TTSA was going to be involved in it.

They were a big part of what they were planning to do and how they were planning to do it.

But then TTSA kind of imploded, and the whole story about the new narrative that they tried to get us to buy, which is, you know, we, nothing was going on, um, Project Blue Book ended and the government had no more involvement in the UFO topic.

All of that stuff, that it just didn't work because too many people knew better, and we were able to show that we knew better.

During the congressional hearings, did you feel that lawmakers are asking the right questions?

But you've talked to some senators who are pretty close to that echelon, so I'm wondering, do you think anybody [laughs] knows? And I'm especially curious about what you think the White House knows right now.

Sure.

So, you know, I think Donald Trump's been read in a certain amount.

I, I think they quit reading in presidents back after I think it was Reagan.

Um, they, they just determined b- because they can, the presidents are part-time employees that are gonna be gone, why read 'em in? And so, you know, the, the unaccountability and secrecy b- by a, like you said, unelected officials is off the charts.

And a lot of this stuff is inside industry now, um, so it's completely shielded from why does Lockheed Martin have to tell the President of the United States what it's studying? They don't.

Um, why the Freedom of Information Act can't get to him.

I wanna click out and just ask, what do you think the world should look like now? Like, well, how do you think our system should be working in a, in a dream scenario of a thing that we should build toward? How sh- how should we be investigating this phenomenon and discussing it publicly and, and trying to find out more about it?

Mm-hmm.

so um all my life i've been a seeker and a armchair aficionado of the paranormal and when i started my own video production company i um you know i was still interested in this stuff and i was working and i had a studio in florida i was getting hired your discovery channel comes to town you get to go shoot in a hurricane you know it's all kind of fun stuff like that um but uh I moved to Sedona for a bunch of weird synchronistic things happened that I ended up in Sedona.

And that's when I met Stephen Bassett.

And when he found out that I had a video production company and I could do live streaming, he hired me to start doing his stuff.

So for me, that was like a dream come true.

And I remembered back in the day, before I got into the field like I am now, there were two people that really influenced me that stood out.

And one of them was Nick Pope.

And the question is, Ron, how did you get Matthew Modine to narrate?

this is kind of, you know, on the heels of Dolan's after disclosure ad, you're talking about what comes beyond that, what comes after that, given what you just said, particularly, I would imagine there's a cornucopia of things that will come, uh, after, uh, the inevitability of what I like to call revelation as opposed to disclosure, but talk about some of the elements in your movie that maybe even get us a little bit closer there.

Yeah.

Thank you for asking the, um, The film started out as a sequel to Accidental Truth, which was going to follow basically the ongoing political process in Washington, D.C.

So in the first part of the film, I take people through my behind-the-scenes journey where you get to see – UFO investigator briefing a member of Congress about our version of events.

And you hear the untold story about David Grush, and you get to be on the inside as we go through Kirsten Gillibrand's arrow and talk to her about that.

And at some point in the film, I very poignantly point out that The Washington DC political process of disclosure is starting to look like a repeat performance of a dog and pony show.

And I don't know what we're going to get out of it, but I'm convinced that we're never going to get the entire truth.

Congress, experiencers, possible?

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Um, so that's a, that's a sad commentary on the state of affairs.

The, uh...

I believe that, that as a species, we have the right to self-determine.

We, at some point, our, our level of sentience, if there were outside, um, uh, extraterrestrial and non-human forces that had an interest in this planet and an interest in us, there became a time where it was like, "Hands off.

Let's see if these guys develop." And we can either develop into being worthy of being a space-faring civilization, at which point, uh, there may be contact that says, "Hey, welcome humans." Could have already happened.

Uh, but then at another point, we d- we display that we're just not gonna be able to get past our aggressive warlike natures, and the ultimate path to that is self-destruction.

Well, first of all, what does that even mean to you? Like, what does disclosure even mean at this point? And then what comes next?

So, um, yeah, so did you wanna talk about some of, uh, some of those things that went a little wonky during the testing?

testing?Yeah.

So, um, we get there and the, the, I, you know, I hired a local metal shop, professionals, this is a big, um, outfit, and we get there and, you know, it's ...

The, the composition of this metal, everybody can pretty much agree that it's, it's aluminum-based.

Um, the more esoteric, uh, test results have said, "Yeah, it might, it be kind of aluminum, but there's all kinds of other things in here we can't explain." One, one guy says there's elements of ceramics in it.

We don't ...

So there's ...

So what's coming up next, then? I mean, it, where do we go from here? What kind of questions should we start asking? Everybody says we're asking the wrong types of questions, and where do we start, then?

the fuck are you talking about you literally sound like a gatekeeper you and that's what you essentially become

a fake gatekeeper somebody who's inserted themselves into the narrative and half the time the information they disperse turns out to be bogus and and it's just like what yeah and you know you hit on something tyler Let's talk about the people that dedicated their lives to this field and died like poor, like Roger Lear and Stanton Friedman.

I don't know how poor Stanton died, but we're talking about guys, Leonard Stringfield.

These guys, for this 40-year gap between Project Blue Book and now, even J. Allen Hynek, there was never any money in the ufology field people sacrificed everything that you know doctors that could have made more money being a doctor you know i get criticized oh ron james just made a movie and he's charging five bucks to watch it that believe me there's a lot better ways i could be making money than this and and so we have a whole history of guys that dedicated their entire lives for nothing except to because they believed in the cause but now tyler There's money in UFOs.

Hollywood's all over it.

There's money in ratings.

There's news guys that are doing every ruthless thing in the book to make sure they're the first ones with the story.

Right, it's like slack of, there's other

So why would you say never? What does that really mean?

Well, I think that there's a possibility that a lot of stuff has been lost to history.

But we were dealing with a cover-up that's been going on for probably somewhere around 100 years.

And the number of people that knew about things back in the... 30s and 40s were very few and far between the secrets were sequestered into programs were a combination of government and industry and are not accessible by the freedom of information act and so over the years these secrets have been diluted and in in some cases forgotten evidence has been They can't believe the government would destroy evidence.

And when we say the government, there's a lot of layers to this onion.

So we have to understand that.

In that first Accidental Truth movie, we tracked down a film that was supposedly shot in one of the basements of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

I think you really have people who will have breakdowns and not be able to handle that.

Mm-hmm.

But these meetings have happened and, and continue to happen for a long time.

Danny Sheehan was involved with the Jimmy Carter administration in interfacing with the church.

The Catholic Church has already come out on numerous occasions and said that if there were to be an acknowledgment of, of alien life, that it doesn't interfere with our, um, you know, they're all God's children, so to speak.

So, a- and of course, you know, you look at some of the other religions, like Islam has factored in non-human and even extraterrestrial intelligence right into the fabric of its teachings.

Even the Bible tells the story of Ezekiel and the wheel, and if you, if you go back into some of these, uh, books like Genesis Revisited, we have Zecharia Sitchin kinda tying together the Book of Genesis with an alien mythos.

And so, uh-You know, the formal meetings about, hey, this is coming, yeah, the, the, the, these, these things are happening routinely.

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Yeah.

There, uh, and this is information that humanity deserves to know, and too many people have participated in withholding it.

There's just too many skeletons [laughs] in the closet, so to speak, for government to just come clean.

You're never gonna see Donald Trump show up at a podium and say, "By the way, here's the real deal.

These are pictures from Roswell.

These are beings that we, we ca- ..." You know? They're, they're never gonna do that.

So, uh, the film was, was supposed to be done in six months.

Hmm.

Yeah

... uh, turned out to be analyzed by many, many people as a flare on a parachute.

That's why you see exhaust coming out of it.

And the question is, with all of the technology that the military has at its disposal, why are they giving us this and calling it a UFO when MUFON's own photo analysis team was able to figure it out in about five minutes? So...

And then we have FBI files that, you know, mentions Lonnie Zamora.

Well, we already know about Lonnie Zamora in that case.

We've known about it for years.

Do you think there's a connection between our lost loved ones, um, and life after death and spirituality and UFOs and ETs and non-human intelligence?

Today, we're talking about this.

Exotic materials are the holy grail.

I was on the team that was supposed to receive that.

What I really wanted to do was put some materials in the hands of Arrow that came from a UFO.

My vehicle is stuck.

We're gonna have to try something else.

I mean, that stuff should have liquefied like mercury by now.

I just said s- you know, "Send me something personal, man, about the film," uh, and, you know, let's take a look at that video.

Like, how, how difficult did you find to jump from the nuts and bolts to, to the woo whilst keeping it kind of compelling for people watching?

You know, I've-- From the very beginning when I decided to, to make a, a sequel to Accidental Truth, at first I was just gonna do a director's cut and call it a day.

Uh, but I realized that there was more story that needed to be told.

And, you know, my, the, the breadth of my work covers these other topics, life after death and na- nature of reality.

Some of my very first Bigger Questions videos that I put out in the, in the 2000s, um, were the nature of reality, the psychic matrix, the fusion of science and spirit.

And so I knew that sooner or later these things were gonna dovetail, and, and then I began to realize that they have to dovetail.

That's the thing that's the most interesting, is that you cannot explain any of this without broadening the conversation to encompass these other elements.

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